From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Questions about tree-sitter Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 13:45:57 +0300 Message-ID: <9f902629-8272-b634-1775-fba72c25ce94@gutov.dev> References: <834jkecrl1.fsf@gnu.org> <20230901.144531.1741909029511895251.enometh@meer.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20857"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Madhu , eliz@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 01 12:47:14 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qc1gI-0005Am-1y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 12:47:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qc1fF-0001q4-Oi; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 06:46:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qc1fE-0001pb-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 06:46:08 -0400 Original-Received: from wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.19]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qc1f9-0001Fu-EY; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 06:46:07 -0400 Original-Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF977320031A; Fri, 1 Sep 2023 06:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 01 Sep 2023 06:46:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gutov.dev; h=cc :cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:date :date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t= 1693565160; x=1693651560; bh=NTMpn7M7mXcAcixBW+vRy2wpt8DBOTdClcE eqWloOew=; b=clxQ6IXoLHN7Q98CrUvneZ6DBnB3FT9HQoWwwSOe5MukG4P4HDW NC69cnoO5H7wVJS8j7CmnEAu6DmdlxQlI8pRVmat4Jo4tI0uSizE7VhvuJZAKVqi pdF84b3CnJie4Hyd4LJQtEagJcQRDT1pjSlXYxleikclh/m0uohRhoHDP7Hoem7h Dvpkg/fcVQFpRp3R8PfRh+u/SmX4/HnfQ/06OwkWTmpy65uouKxf65edQm7uFOWu OzMi4+qlEnE4wGfZT8o7RcPsFjhcYRKW6m0f1ItTz7xE6bmZxMlecqcGwGHnySh4 Je3qQZUvFVYBq8bgiLJm085J96lu2hQYKbA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t= 1693565160; x=1693651560; bh=NTMpn7M7mXcAcixBW+vRy2wpt8DBOTdClcE eqWloOew=; b=PRAw/irmaq/H0+LOwkE+8P3ff1Ml8UzqFJue3tXRdeexePUrpya umCwQxKiuXAcRr17I7d3A/idzsUVEcqkolG8mvPP0FMK+rs4AfpjwnAt0JoVkMSB sID1NEaXY1v7xHJY7Ou76n4Wzt7AOIgSxj2UUurCqywVcIGz8cDN6VQcU8pNi65z lF51GmAYGrTa8Q6J6moOPOvRtwjsUoQFHDR21+O/eio+PivrWLpM7a89mqLSc/wO sZsySeHRrkbZsbvMDx15yiTt1fDTM0o5MC+E8Af8t+/btG6vC4nJktmNWShGn2cZ x7G5/kqcPGBruBEujuxSbqhEo2R45Xw0hQg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedviedrudegvddgfeduucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefkffggfgfuvfevfhfhjggtgfesth ejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomhepffhmihhtrhihucfiuhhtohhvuceoughmihhtrhihsehg uhhtohhvrdguvghvqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeigfetveehveevffehledtueekie eikeeufeegudfgfeeghfdulefgfeevledvveenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecu rfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegumhhithhrhiesghhuthhovhdruggvvh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i0e71465a:Fastmail Original-Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Fri, 1 Sep 2023 06:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <20230901.144531.1741909029511895251.enometh@meer.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.147.123.19; envelope-from=dmitry@gutov.dev; helo=wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -62 X-Spam_score: -6.3 X-Spam_bar: ------ X-Spam_report: (-6.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-3.478, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309755 Archived-At: On 01/09/2023 12:15, Madhu wrote: > Am i right in apprehending that the move to treesitter is a change > this aspect of emacs: that the user become merely a user of the > product shipped by the llvm investors, and the consumption behaviour > is to be determined and dictated by the investors (who arrange to ship > black boxes) typically following the consumer patterns on the other > industry standard editors There is generally no relation between the tree-sitter grammars and the LLVM project. The main author of tree-sitter also left Github and started his own editor project. Which actually might be a concern in the other direction (longevity).