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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309994 Archived-At: --74074a797c5b4d8fb473bcd3fb5bf67c Content-Type: text/plain Here I was making the point that it's hard to say what'd be a good enough Clojure mode for Emacs unless you actually a subject expert in Clojure. (or at least reasonable familiar with Clojure) This was a response to the statement that simply deriving from lisp-mode would be good enough. Sorry if I didn't make this clear. The topic of whether Clojure support should be included OOTB is completely orthogonal to this IMO. On Sun, Sep 3, 2023, at 5:42 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 17:04:32 +0200 > > From: "Bozhidar Batsov" > > Cc: "Richard Stallman" , "Danny Freeman" , > > "Eli Zaretskii" , "Emacs Devel" , > > "Manuel Uberti" > > > > Without an understanding of Clojure and its tooling ecosystem (and it's history) it's hard to > > make good suggestions about what makes sense and what doesn't. > > I disagree with this assertion, and disagree in general, not just > specifically wrt clojure-mode. One of the important jobs of an Emacs > maintainer is to understand enough about any candidate feature to make > this kind of decisions, without being an expert in its subject matter. > Maybe I'm doing my job not well enough, but you seem to be saying that > this job is impossible to do, and that the only people who can make > good decisions about this are the experts on the subject matter. That > is certainly incorrect. > > It doesn't take a genius to realize that Clojure is an important > programming language, and the way to the decision of having it > supported OOTB in Emacs is very short from there. > --74074a797c5b4d8fb473bcd3fb5bf67c Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here I was maki= ng the point that it's hard to say what'd be a good enough Clojure mode = for Emacs unless you actually a subject expert in Clojure. (or at least = reasonable familiar with Clojure) This was a response to the statement t= hat simply deriving from lisp-mode would be good enough. Sorry if I didn= 't make this clear.

The topic of whether C= lojure support should be included OOTB is completely orthogonal to this = IMO.

On Sun, Sep 3, 2023, at 5:42 PM, Eli = Zaretskii wrote:
> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 17:04:32 +0200
> From= : "Bozhidar Batsov" <bozhidar@= batsov.dev>
> Cc: "Richard Stallman" <rms@gnu.org>, "Danny Freeman" <danny@dfreeman.email>, 
=
>  "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>, "Emacs Devel" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
>  "Manuel U= berti" <manuel.uberti@= inventati.org>
> 
> Withou= t an understanding of Clojure and its tooling ecosystem (and it's histor= y) it's hard to
> make good suggestions about what make= s sense and what doesn't. 

I disagree = with this assertion, and disagree in general, not just
spe= cifically wrt clojure-mode.  One of the important jobs of an Emacs<= br>
maintainer is to understand enough about any candidate fea= ture to make
this kind of decisions, without being an expe= rt in its subject matter.
Maybe I'm doing my job not well = enough, but you seem to be saying that
this job is impossi= ble to do, and that the only people who can make
good deci= sions about this are the experts on the subject matter.  That
is certainly incorrect.

It doesn't= take a genius to realize that Clojure is an important
pro= gramming language, and the way to the decision of having it
supported OOTB in Emacs is very short from there.


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