all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Single quotes in Info
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 07:11:05 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9ee0c895-a178-40e1-b1c8-ed2b97071c6b@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83lhksshdm.fsf@gnu.org>

> Anyway, we should revive bug #13131, and provide an easier solution
> for this particular issue.

I agree.  For this particular (search) issue.

This is conceptually related to, but it need not necessarily be
extended to, discussion about being able to Isearch abstracting from
diacritical marks etc.  (E.g. bug #13041:
http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=13041.)

IOW, being able to easily specify equivalence classes of chars for
search (and other) purposes, and preferably being able to quickly
choose whether to make use of them (this one or that one) - e.g.,
as we can do now for case-sensitivity (`a' ~ `A').

The easily-search-for-curly-or-not-curly problem reminds us that
Info is not only about display: One needs to be able to easily
search for (and perhaps even type directly) the chars that are
displayed.  Chars ` and ' correspond to keys on most keyboards.
‘ and ’ do not.

Some of those who propose curly-quote etc. display as a "modernization"
of Emacs might not take sufficiently into account how Emacs users
interact with the text.  "Modern" appearance is nice (even important),
but Emacs is not *only* about display.

> > How to get back to ASCII quotes?
> 
> I think you need to regenerate the Info docs, using the levers we did
> in Emacs 24 to disallow Unicode quotes.  Or customize 'makeinfo' to
> produce ASCII characters instead (search for OPEN_QUOTE_SYMBOL in the
> Texinfo manual), and then regenerate the docs.  Or install an older
> 'makeinfo', which didn't produce these quotes, and then regenerate the
> docs.

As I know you are aware, Eli, this return-to-the-source is not a real
solution.  (Ideally) Emacs users themselves should be able (somehow)
to choose which chars are used for such display.  Remaking Info should
not be our only (i.e., final) answer, even if it is such today.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-24 15:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-23 23:17 Single quotes in Info Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-23 23:53 ` Drew Adams
2015-01-24 17:01   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-24  8:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-24 15:11   ` Drew Adams [this message]
2015-01-24 15:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]     ` <<838ugsrysw.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-01-24 15:54       ` Drew Adams
2015-01-24 16:45         ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-24 17:00     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-27 16:27       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-27 17:37         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-27 18:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-27 19:00             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-27 19:15               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-27 19:49           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-27 20:30             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-28  3:48               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-28 21:42                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-28 22:23                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-29 14:31                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-27 18:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-27 18:39           ` Drew Adams
2015-01-27 20:24           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-27 21:18             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-28  1:15               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-28 15:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-28 16:10                   ` Yuri Khan
2015-01-28 17:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-28 21:38                   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-29  3:44                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-29  6:01                       ` Drew Adams
2015-01-29 16:03                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-29 16:24                           ` Drew Adams
2015-01-29 16:57                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] ` <mailman.18484.1422057224.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-01-26  3:26   ` Unicode in emacs (was Single quotes in Info) Rusi
     [not found] <<87twzhgk84.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl>
     [not found] ` <<83lhksshdm.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<9ee0c895-a178-40e1-b1c8-ed2b97071c6b@default>
     [not found]     ` <<87h9vgglkz.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl>
     [not found]       ` <<CAAdUY-J4s+1_C7bj32Xk5x8d01fe9baPCYmwd+0KU=QorO7wZg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <<83h9vcp0bq.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <<CAAdUY-Kck6moHTRJshbXJdRVQ6gK6Q24f_PD7SuEaZ7hURpdQw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <<83y4onorcc.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <<CAAdUY-+ooLydD-qPtiEvv-01TGxX5E-cf6asvs+Jn+eR_=38ig@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <<83vbjrnd1f.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                   ` <<CAAdUY-JwX-p-ZzdExm9+cKs5pC0SUoLLs8ppA9esuXsRuHRdng@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <<83386untcd.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                       ` <<ee612423-67bf-42d0-a0ef-0dad11605c49@default>
     [not found]                         ` <<83vbjpmv4w.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                           ` <<6164d89d-23ac-46bf-9f84-154cc0e6c6e4@default>
     [not found]                             ` <<83mw51msnz.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-01-29 17:05                               ` Single quotes in Info Drew Adams
2015-01-29 17:24                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-29 18:34                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-01-29 18:54                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-29 19:35                                       ` Drew Adams

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=9ee0c895-a178-40e1-b1c8-ed2b97071c6b@default \
    --to=drew.adams@oracle.com \
    --cc=eliz@gnu.org \
    --cc=help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.