* bug#74541: 28.2; Emacs hangs every few seconds
@ 2024-11-26 8:36 Tobias Bora
2024-11-26 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Tobias Bora @ 2024-11-26 8:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 74541
Dear emacs maintainers,
Bug description: since I upgraded my system, emacs hangs regularly
(usually every 10 seconds or so), during maybe 3 seconds on average.
Like just the time to write this bug report,
emacs hanged 13 times frankly (more than a few seconds), and a few times
I felt a bit of a lag when writting. The hang can
occur while typing, or while moving (e.g. with ctrl+arrow
left/right). The bug occurs also while starting emacs with -Q and with
multiple versions (tested with 28.2 and 29.4). Funily enough, the bug
started after I upgraded my system, but not emacs (emacs was installed
via home-manager, and I upgraded first my system, then home-manager but
still used emacs in the meantime). Note however that this bug is not
specific to the emacs installed via home-manager, as the system-wide
installed emacs also suffers from this bug. I am running KDE, and the
bug was present in KDE Plasma 5 and 6, with both wayland and X11, and
with both the lucid and gtk versions of emacs. Note
also that emacs is the only application witnessing hangs. I run nixos
unstable,
and the bug started when upgrading from revision
b8697e57f10292a6165a20f03d2f42920dfaf973 to
4c2fcb090b1f3e5b47eaa7bd33913b574a11e0a0. Some possibly relevant parts
of my configuration (since emacs comes with all its dependencies pined
in nix, and the bug started after an upgrade of the system and not emacs
itself, it
might be related to how emacs deals with graphics?)
{ config, lib, pkgs, ... }:
{
hardware.enableRedistributableFirmware = true;
hardware.cpu.intel.updateMicrocode = true;
# issue with sleep mode, lets's try a different one
boot.kernelPackages = pkgs.linuxPackages_6_1;
hardware.graphics.enable = true;
hardware.graphics.extraPackages = with pkgs; [
intel-ocl # Detects the CPU (opencl), apparently it's proprietary
https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/stable/index.html#sec-gpu-accel-opencl-intel
intel-compute-runtime # Opencl for Gen8 and later GPU (For Gen7,
use deprecated beignet)
vaapiIntel libvdpau-va-gl vaapiVdpau # Seems to be for accelerated
graphics
];
# For steam to work
hardware.graphics.enable32Bit = true;
environment.systemPackages = with pkgs; [
vulkan-tools
];
# SSD
boot.kernel.sysctl = {
"vm.swappiness" = 1;
};
}
In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.41,
cairo version 1.18.0)
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12401003
System Description: NixOS 24.11 (Vicuna)
Configured using:
'configure
--prefix=/nix/store/qqn5jlcbn8q444y06pj5a4gpcjxrpmz7-emacs-gtk3-28.2
--disable-build-details --with-modules --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-xft
--with-cairo --with-native-compilation --with-xwidgets'
Configured features:
CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON
LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY
INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS
X11 XDBE XIM XPM XWIDGETS GTK3 ZLIB
Important settings:
value of $EMACSLOADPATH:
/nix/store/rb2qdgnjzp7jryr02nzf9yxn9d4cq100-emacs-packages-deps/share/emacs/site-lisp:
value of $EMACSNATIVELOADPATH:
/nix/store/rb2qdgnjzp7jryr02nzf9yxn9d4cq100-emacs-packages-deps/share/emacs/native-lisp:
value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8
value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
Major mode: Python
Minor modes in effect:
shell-dirtrack-mode: t
tooltip-mode: t
global-eldoc-mode: t
eldoc-mode: t
show-paren-mode: t
electric-indent-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
tool-bar-mode: t
menu-bar-mode: t
file-name-shadow-mode: t
global-font-lock-mode: t
font-lock-mode: t
blink-cursor-mode: t
auto-composition-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
line-number-mode: t
transient-mark-mode: t
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* bug#74541: 28.2; Emacs hangs every few seconds
2024-11-26 8:36 bug#74541: 28.2; Emacs hangs every few seconds Tobias Bora
@ 2024-11-26 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 13:42 ` Tobias Bora
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-11-26 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tobias Bora; +Cc: 74541
> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2024 09:36:14 +0100
> From: Tobias Bora <tobias.bora@gmail.com>
>
> Bug description: since I upgraded my system, emacs hangs regularly
> (usually every 10 seconds or so), during maybe 3 seconds on average.
> Like just the time to write this bug report,
> emacs hanged 13 times frankly (more than a few seconds), and a few times
> I felt a bit of a lag when writting. The hang can
> occur while typing, or while moving (e.g. with ctrl+arrow
> left/right). The bug occurs also while starting emacs with -Q and with
> multiple versions (tested with 28.2 and 29.4). Funily enough, the bug
> started after I upgraded my system, but not emacs (emacs was installed
> via home-manager, and I upgraded first my system, then home-manager but
> still used emacs in the meantime). Note however that this bug is not
> specific to the emacs installed via home-manager, as the system-wide
> installed emacs also suffers from this bug. I am running KDE, and the
> bug was present in KDE Plasma 5 and 6, with both wayland and X11, and
> with both the lucid and gtk versions of emacs. Note
> also that emacs is the only application witnessing hangs. I run nixos
> unstable,
Since you say that the issue began when you upgraded your system
without changing Emacs, I would suggest first to look into the changes
brought in by your system upgrade. The fact that Emacs is the only
application you use which experiences these problems doesn't
necessarily mean the problem is in Emacs. For example, Emacs might be
the only program you use that makes use of some system software which
causes this.
Searching in etc/PROBLEMS for "hangs" I found this entry:
** Emacs hangs when using XIM
This is due to an old bug in the implementation of the X protocol's
XIM transport: when an input method crashes for some reason, Xlib
cannot recover. Emacs cannot do anything about this except wait for
input method developers to fix their crashes. You can work around
these problems by disabling XIM in your X resources:
Emacs.useXIM: false
Could this be your problem?
If nothing else helps, make sure you have debug information for Emacs,
then attach a debugger when Emacs hangs, and post a backtrace here.
Maybe that will give us some clues.
It is also possible that a newer version of Emacs doesn't have this
problem. The latest released Emacs version is 29.4, and Emacs 30.1 is
currently in pretest. If you can try that, please do.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* bug#74541: 28.2; Emacs hangs every few seconds
2024-11-26 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2024-12-03 13:42 ` Tobias Bora
2024-12-03 14:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Tobias Bora @ 2024-12-03 13:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 74541
Dear Eli,
Thank you very much for your answer. I was a bit dubious, but indeed,
since I tried:
╰─❯ cat ~/.Xresources ─╯
Emacs.useXIM: false
and restarting emacs, everything seems to be back to normal! Thank you
so much.
But out of curiosity, can't we, by default, disable XIM for emacs, since
anyway it is unusable when XIM is used?
Le 26/11/2024 à 16:27, Eli Zaretskii a écrit :
>> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2024 09:36:14 +0100
>> From: Tobias Bora <tobias.bora@gmail.com>
>>
>> Bug description: since I upgraded my system, emacs hangs regularly
>> (usually every 10 seconds or so), during maybe 3 seconds on average.
>> Like just the time to write this bug report,
>> emacs hanged 13 times frankly (more than a few seconds), and a few times
>> I felt a bit of a lag when writting. The hang can
>> occur while typing, or while moving (e.g. with ctrl+arrow
>> left/right). The bug occurs also while starting emacs with -Q and with
>> multiple versions (tested with 28.2 and 29.4). Funily enough, the bug
>> started after I upgraded my system, but not emacs (emacs was installed
>> via home-manager, and I upgraded first my system, then home-manager but
>> still used emacs in the meantime). Note however that this bug is not
>> specific to the emacs installed via home-manager, as the system-wide
>> installed emacs also suffers from this bug. I am running KDE, and the
>> bug was present in KDE Plasma 5 and 6, with both wayland and X11, and
>> with both the lucid and gtk versions of emacs. Note
>> also that emacs is the only application witnessing hangs. I run nixos
>> unstable,
> Since you say that the issue began when you upgraded your system
> without changing Emacs, I would suggest first to look into the changes
> brought in by your system upgrade. The fact that Emacs is the only
> application you use which experiences these problems doesn't
> necessarily mean the problem is in Emacs. For example, Emacs might be
> the only program you use that makes use of some system software which
> causes this.
>
> Searching in etc/PROBLEMS for "hangs" I found this entry:
>
>
> ** Emacs hangs when using XIM
>
> This is due to an old bug in the implementation of the X protocol's
> XIM transport: when an input method crashes for some reason, Xlib
> cannot recover. Emacs cannot do anything about this except wait for
> input method developers to fix their crashes. You can work around
> these problems by disabling XIM in your X resources:
>
> Emacs.useXIM: false
>
> Could this be your problem?
>
> If nothing else helps, make sure you have debug information for Emacs,
> then attach a debugger when Emacs hangs, and post a backtrace here.
> Maybe that will give us some clues.
>
> It is also possible that a newer version of Emacs doesn't have this
> problem. The latest released Emacs version is 29.4, and Emacs 30.1 is
> currently in pretest. If you can try that, please do.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* bug#74541: 28.2; Emacs hangs every few seconds
2024-12-03 13:42 ` Tobias Bora
@ 2024-12-03 14:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-21 8:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-12-03 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tobias Bora, Po Lu; +Cc: 74541
> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 14:42:33 +0100
> Cc: 74541@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Tobias Bora <tobias.bora@gmail.com>
>
> Dear Eli,
>
> Thank you very much for your answer. I was a bit dubious, but indeed,
> since I tried:
>
> ╰─❯ cat ~/.Xresources ─╯
> Emacs.useXIM: false
>
> and restarting emacs, everything seems to be back to normal! Thank you
> so much.
>
> But out of curiosity, can't we, by default, disable XIM for emacs, since
> anyway it is unusable when XIM is used?
I don't know. Maybe Po Lu (CC'ed) does.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* bug#74541: 28.2; Emacs hangs every few seconds
2024-12-03 14:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2024-12-21 8:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-12-21 8:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: luangruo; +Cc: 74541, tobias.bora
> Cc: 74541@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 16:15:29 +0200
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>
> > Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 14:42:33 +0100
> > Cc: 74541@debbugs.gnu.org
> > From: Tobias Bora <tobias.bora@gmail.com>
> >
> > Dear Eli,
> >
> > Thank you very much for your answer. I was a bit dubious, but indeed,
> > since I tried:
> >
> > ╰─❯ cat ~/.Xresources ─╯
> > Emacs.useXIM: false
> >
> > and restarting emacs, everything seems to be back to normal! Thank you
> > so much.
> >
> > But out of curiosity, can't we, by default, disable XIM for emacs, since
> > anyway it is unusable when XIM is used?
>
> I don't know. Maybe Po Lu (CC'ed) does.
Ping!
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