From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: christophe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:16:21 +0200 Message-ID: <9e09ff30808121316g39018536re223eec7d4cc0247@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218572212 29223 80.91.229.12 (12 Aug 2008 20:16:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:16:52 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 12 22:17:43 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KT0JG-0002Cd-O5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:17:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42627 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KT0IG-0002is-DS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:16:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KT0IC-0002iE-ER for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:16:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KT0IA-0002he-SF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:16:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50903 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KT0IA-0002ha-NJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:16:30 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]:52607) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KT0I9-0008AF-KY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:16:30 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1466306fgb.30 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:16:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=Scxt14D8xpMIx9uKC0qXMsod/MHfwI7cnh/vDl6bEfA=; b=TlutETZghkwGeFq6zKu4Qh/czAKj2uc9gyxMQ0SjLNdx7qe8pOFUKg8ztYBBLJxksz folrVIlTZ0GeHOPUjOSfuDCf4Vbb9IEqt4WhNofYii4TcA9Wqn92zeXKsb1gkWtJJmmd 38yIxbPJzt28XDn7O79a/SCP3DonHd3ckW5RE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=J9x8s7DOThwoYdMK3fRwf3U8coc9Rsj9C2LLF+bzGp9l2w8V+ETWZu2vfa+YZ5LSQi EETB+pkCIfaqtrpnMfkCm1cYUVx0ATg9OTzAcVx0vpqmR1apWFYJllW0r7OLsu/kmc15 B/ar3kgk2nCqRt00uX40hOVG3cxWKPmc8jHWY= Original-Received: by 10.86.78.4 with SMTP id a4mr3993738fgb.53.1218572181843; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.86.97.17 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: d5337d8c55520691 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102378 Archived-At: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:53 PM, wrote: > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:37:48 -0700 > From: Thomas Lord > Subject: Re: Release plans > To: Miles Bader > Cc: Juanma Barranquero , ich@frank-schmitt.net, > rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Message-ID: <48A1AE4C.2000301@emf.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed > > Miles Bader wrote: >> Thomas Lord writes: >> >>> The more urgent issue concerns the emerging W3C-based world: >>> what will GNU have to offer there? >>> >> >> Hopefully, an alternative... >> > > That's pithy but I don't actually get it. Why call for an alternative? > Maybe the lack of freedom in today's Web architecture. In his dissertation, Roy T. Fielding describes REST as an architectural style. According to him, =ABexamples of architectural styles include the "null style" (which has no constrains at all), pipe and filter, client/server, distributed objects and =97 you guessed it =97 REST=BB (1). As i said elsewhere, internet is by nature a decentralized network, so distributed architectures will prevail sooner or later... While I appreciate your analysis and share most of your points, i agree with RMS about the lack of freedom in the design of the web... A Quote from Mr. Paul Stacey: =ABPeer-to-peer systems have existed since the first incarnation of the Internet. In recent times the Internet has taken on a more hierarchical form, power has been taken away from the individual and placed in the hands of operators of large servers. However, with the re-emergence of p2p the individual is gaining more freedom. End users attached to the Internet now have the power to host and publish content through the user of p2p technologies...=BB (Stacey, Paul, "Peer-to-peer searching and sharing of electronic documents" (2004). Masters. Paper 9.) ( http://arrow.dit.ie/engmas/9 ) Hope this can help. christophe (1) http://mauriziostorani.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/rest-representational-s= tate-transfer-and-restful-web-services-concepts-and-examples/