From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, cpitclaudel@gmail.com,
monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA
Subject: Re: scratch/accurate-warning-pos: Solid progress: the branch now bootstraps.
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:50:09 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9dde4ed7-8401-6022-a668-258d48bb7726@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181129220552.GI12576@ACM>
On 11/29/18 2:05 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> We're not
> talking about macros generating messages for invalid input. we're
> talking about generating message positions for the source being
> compiled.
I'm not sure what you mean here. The point of this exercise, as I
understand it, is to generate better diagnostics for Lisp code that has
problems in it (or is "invalid input" in some sense). Such code may
define macros, and it may use those macros or may use macros defined
elsewhere. If you're saying that we should talk only about problems in
the part of the code that uses macros, and not about problems in the
part of the code that defines macros, then that sounds like a
conversation that would be too narrow.
>
>> I'm afraid we'll have to disagree here, as I can see examples where
>> symbols-with-pos fails ....
> I can't. Please give an example, so I can see what you're talking about.
I attempted to give one in
<https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2018-11/msg00530.html>, but you
dismissed it as not relevant to the discussion. As mentioned above, I
don't see why it's irrelevant.
> Symbols-with-pos exists, works, and works well.
> Conses-with-pos doesn't exist, hence doesn't work. I doubt it can work.
> Can you create it?
I think I could, with time. I hope someone else will do it, though, as
the problem does not seem that urgent. I would suggest that whoever does
it, looks into Stefan's ideas in this area, e.g.,
<https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2018-11/msg00532.html>.
> is the idea of the two instances of code
> still live?
It's live only in the sense that it's better than
scratch/accurate-warning-pos because of performance issues. I'd rather
that we did something better than either.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-11-30 17:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-11-17 12:45 scratch/accurate-warning-pos: First tentative successes Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-17 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-23 13:09 ` scratch/accurate-warning-pos: Solid progress: the branch now bootstraps Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-25 11:26 ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-11-25 14:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-25 15:12 ` Andreas Schwab
2018-11-25 15:42 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-25 16:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-25 17:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-25 18:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-25 18:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-25 19:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-25 16:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-25 17:35 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-25 18:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-25 19:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-25 20:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-26 9:52 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-26 10:16 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-25 16:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-25 17:27 ` Andreas Schwab
2018-11-25 17:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-25 17:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-25 18:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-25 18:45 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-25 19:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-25 20:12 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-25 21:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-26 1:41 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-26 3:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-26 17:43 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-26 18:43 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-26 19:18 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-11-26 19:42 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-27 1:07 ` Gemini Lasswell
2018-11-27 1:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-27 6:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-27 2:48 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-27 7:43 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-27 20:27 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-27 21:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-27 21:37 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-27 21:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-28 1:11 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-28 12:04 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-29 21:28 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-29 22:05 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-30 17:50 ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2018-11-30 18:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-30 20:14 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-30 22:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-30 23:46 ` Paul Eggert
2018-12-01 7:35 ` martin rudalics
2018-12-01 8:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-01 11:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-12-01 11:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-01 12:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-12-01 14:09 ` martin rudalics
2018-12-01 14:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-01 16:30 ` martin rudalics
2018-12-01 19:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-01 14:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-01 16:31 ` martin rudalics
2018-12-01 16:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-01 19:04 ` martin rudalics
2018-12-01 19:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-01 17:21 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-12-01 17:44 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-12-01 18:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-12-01 20:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-12-01 17:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-01 21:00 ` Paul Eggert
2018-12-01 17:50 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-12-01 18:26 ` Yuri Khan
2018-12-01 19:15 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-12-01 21:26 ` Paul Eggert
2018-12-02 6:48 ` Yuri Khan
2018-12-02 18:39 ` Gemini Lasswell
2018-12-03 2:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-01 19:04 ` martin rudalics
2018-12-02 22:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-12-01 0:26 ` Gemini Lasswell
2018-12-01 11:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-27 22:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-28 2:18 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-28 2:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-28 5:13 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-28 6:03 ` Gemini Lasswell
2018-11-28 5:39 ` Gemini Lasswell
2018-11-28 13:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-28 6:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-28 22:50 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-29 7:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-29 10:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-29 11:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-29 11:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-29 21:12 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-29 21:28 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-28 0:53 ` Gemini Lasswell
2018-11-26 20:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-27 2:51 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-26 9:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-26 18:27 ` Paul Eggert
2018-11-25 18:48 ` Gemini Lasswell
2018-11-25 20:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-26 12:39 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-26 16:14 ` Gemini Lasswell
2018-11-26 17:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-26 17:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-29 12:26 ` scratch/accurate-warning-pos: Some real world timings Alan Mackenzie
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