From: "Clément Pit-Claudel" <cpitclaudel@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A combination of defmacro, functionp, and quoted lambdas yields different results on consecutive evaluations
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:40:05 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9dbc26f4-e86f-c3df-8193-61a0a3837466@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvy3jg30i9.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
On 2018-02-25 22:18, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> * In a new file test-macro.el, write this:
>>
>> (defmacro mmm (f)
>> `(function ,f))
>> (provide 'test-macro)
>>
>> * In a new file test.el, write this
>>
>> (with-eval-after-load 'test-macro
>> (let ((out (mmm (lambda ()))))
>> (message "with-eval-after-load: %S" out)))
>>
>> (load (expand-file-name "test-macro.el"))
>
> This is not supposed to work: your test.el uses `mmm` before it gets
> defined by the subsequent `load`.
Uh, really? But the body of with-eval-after-load is (supposed to be) evaluated after the FILE argument is loaded, not before, right? `mmm' is only used in `with-eval-after-load' in the code above.
The manual says the following about with-eval-after-load:
This macro arranges to evaluate BODY at the end of loading the file
LIBRARY, each time LIBRARY is loaded. If LIBRARY is already
loaded, it evaluates BODY right away.
Am I misunderstanding something? In what sense does the code above use `mmm' before it gets defined? And, does that mean that with-eval-after-load can't be used to run a macro after the package defining it has been loaded?
I guess what's confusing to me is that calling with-eval-after-load seems to be diffrent from directly adding a form to after-load-alist, as shown by the fact that the following snippet works fine:
(add-to-list
'after-load-alist
(list 'test-macro
(lambda ()
(eval '(let ((out (mmm (lambda ()))))
(message "after-load-alist: %S" out))))))
(load (expand-file-name "test-macro.el"))
Why does this behave differently? (and isn't that difference a bug in with-eval-after-load?)
> It's true that Emacs doesn't guarantee that it will always fail to work,
> but ... you get what you deserve.
:/ That seems a bit uncalled for, but maybe I'm just misinterpreting a joke? "what [I] deserve", in the present case, is multiple hours of my time spent debugging an issue raised by a well-meaning Flycheck user, on top of multiple hours of the other maintainer's time… I'm not sure in what sense either of us deserved that. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your comment.
> PS: BTW, moving the `load` earlier may make it work more often but it
> still wouldn't make it right. You'd additionally need to replace
> the `load` by `require` or to wrap it inside a `eval-when-compile`.
Can you explain why? with-eval-after-load doesn't mention any of these things.
Thanks for your help,
Clément.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-02-26 5:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-02-17 16:04 A combination of defmacro, functionp, and quoted lambdas yields different results on consecutive evaluations Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-17 21:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-18 15:17 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-18 18:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-25 18:09 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-26 3:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-26 5:40 ` Clément Pit-Claudel [this message]
2018-02-26 13:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-26 15:20 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-26 16:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-26 16:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-26 17:08 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-26 17:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-28 14:32 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-28 16:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-26 17:01 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-26 17:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-26 17:32 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-26 17:40 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-01 0:50 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-27 21:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-28 12:44 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-02-28 13:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-28 14:26 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-28 23:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-26 13:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-26 15:20 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-26 16:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-26 16:37 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-02-26 17:15 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-26 17:38 ` Stefan Monnier
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