From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#28736: 24.5; doc of `push' Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9d23e7ad-ff25-4dac-b598-6614b272bebc@default> References: <<<53afe0a4-8ce5-45fc-9e18-6bf52018c9b6@default>>> <<<83h8vatbtk.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<09655ed0-be2c-4453-9755-224ec733e221@default>> <<83wp45sgrm.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1507484957 13069 195.159.176.226 (8 Oct 2017 17:49:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 17:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 28736@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 08 19:49:11 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e1FhO-0002n2-6w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2017 19:49:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54592 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e1FhV-0002by-I5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2017 13:49:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56921) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e1FhK-0002bf-Vp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2017 13:49:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e1FhG-0003Kf-22 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2017 13:49:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:47948) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e1FhF-0003KX-UK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2017 13:49:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e1FhF-0008Ja-KB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2017 13:49:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 17:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28736 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 28736-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28736.150748492231931 (code B ref 28736); Sun, 08 Oct 2017 17:49:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 28736) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2017 17:48:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56629 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e1Fgw-0008Ix-KQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2017 13:48:42 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:51058) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e1Fgv-0008Ik-FQ for 28736@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2017 13:48:41 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v98HmYYp023143 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Oct 2017 17:48:35 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v98HmYHb022564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Oct 2017 17:48:34 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v98HmXsl030474; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 17:48:34 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83wp45sgrm.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4588.0 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:138080 Archived-At: > > The right question is why is it a problem to document this? >=20 > Because we don't want to guarantee the return value won't > change in the future? Are you sure? When was that decided? Just now? Why would we want to do that? Gratuitously acting different from Common Lisp (and all other Lisps?) in this case wouldn't seem to be advantageous. Do you see a good reason to do that? And why ""? I wonder if your answer might have been different if a different person had filed this bug...