From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: TRS-80 Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Simplification of outline-minor-mode Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2021 13:09:16 -0400 Message-ID: <9c45eee7b688b642cfa487ca139054a3@isnotmyreal.name> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28394"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.11 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 07 19:50:36 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lqJOV-0007DR-Mv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:50:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34916 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lqJOU-0001xQ-Oh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 13:50:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33702) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lqIkf-0007vK-OI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 13:09:25 -0400 Original-Received: from server173-1.web-hosting.com ([68.65.122.207]:34460) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lqIkd-0003V4-26 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 13:09:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=isnotmyreal.name; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Date:MIME-Version:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=joyUNQAA6h4IwBSMX8MvT/30OFaffuATodJGqxUgqoA=; b=shxF9FJceEKq8FSyPaQDDyclQS v5GKvIbmZC+v9xscG+VYflj0A3wxofoxnXDKKDJ/0sFk6CyQzeiNWa8KC/Mi/rkHnIau3jcVISsxg lZX6gUeH89R2ZWRJsCy/maLeirv1zhzab7oe/2Puy8pz3LhknpsaCIS5Pf56pGJlsktUYXtREB3xS ztD7TX9eaA+VLPnTRu7S+5LcXOTN6wD06SfLSg3hx6NMWoYEFtNbNNMCpLj2/X5OFbzQgoewqV/F7 j0xf80OShgKEOfd3LtzZxbemaqWXedo8pmd2oKdiXtORwgF2gSOFQ/fhw1k/gTxR3EDCAtkZngOsH o0600Wmg==; Original-Received: from [::1] (port=43696 helo=server173.web-hosting.com) by server173.web-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1lqIkW-002exo-W7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 13:09:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-Sender: lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server173.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - isnotmyreal.name X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server173.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name X-Authenticated-Sender: server173.web-hosting.com: lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Received-SPF: pass client-ip=68.65.122.207; envelope-from=lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name; helo=server173-1.web-hosting.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130603 Archived-At: On 2021-05-21 17:03, pietru@caramail.com wrote: > Could there be some consistency in outline-mode as it does get very confusing. Perhaps tangential, but I recently discovered outshine[0], which I have not tried yet but appears to be what I have been looking for a long time now. Apparently some improvements/changes to outline-mode to make it more org-mode like. As a heavy Org user, I could never really get into regular outline-mode. For example when Beancount switched to it's own major mode a couple years ago (with outline as minor mode; previously org-mode was the major mode), I have felt awkward in there ever since. Just passing this tidbit along in the hopes it's helpful to someone else. Cheers, TRS-80 [0] https://github.com/alphapapa/outshine