From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs for Mac OS X - questions Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <9bdd4eda-6bb3-48fc-b6e0-3d0202fb0b09@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com> References: <4f7fb8d9-a0a9-4c58-a334-31f3ebf1d2ba@3g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1246573140 16451 80.91.229.12 (2 Jul 2009 22:19:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:19:00 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 03 00:18:53 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MMUcG-0000wH-AR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:18:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41038 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MMUcF-00036y-FX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:18:51 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs Original-Lines: 51 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.102.12.87 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1246566366 12998 127.0.0.1 (2 Jul 2009 20:26:06 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.102.12.87; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/530.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/2.0.172.33 Safari/530.5, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:170521 comp.emacs:98344 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:17:53 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:65738 Archived-At: On Jul 2, 11:57=A0am, Marc Tfardy wrote: > Xah Lee schrieb: > > =A0> The tabs in Aquamac Emacs is based on the tabbar.el module. > =A0> > =A0> tabs in emacs is quite different from tabs in firefox or any modern > =A0> app's tabs. > =A0> > =A0> The bottom reason for this is that emacs doesn't do tabs, instead, i= t > =A0> has buffers. You can have many windows (what emacs calls frames), an= d > =A0> each window can access any buffer. However, tabs in modern apps does > =A0> not work like that. In modern apps, > > Very thanks for teaching about tabs, windows-frame terms and what modern > apps are but first, this was not topic and seconds I'm familiar with > this things. > > =A0> in practice, this means when you use tabs in emacs, it's quite > =A0> different. Tabs in emacs is merely just a prettified GUI for accessi= ng > =A0> buffers. > =A0> See this page on emacswiki: > =A0>http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TabBarMode > =A0> > =A0> [very long dissertation about tabs] > > Again - do you not think, that when one ask for possibility of switching > off tabs, he is not interested how good tabs are in emacs, how different > in comparison to other apps they are implemented and so on. I ask for > switch off because I don't like tabs. > > regards > Marc Hi Marc, Sorry i didn't notice originally you were asking to switch off tabs. anyway, i'm a advocate for emacs modernization, and i think tabs is a very important element because it provides visual clue on the hidden buffers. I ranted on tabs because a lot emacs users got confused by the different models, and for myself, i really tried to used tabs on and off over 2 years and in the end got pissed because it just a hack and can't really do the job. (it has major bugs that crasches emacs. hard to find download location, etc. The one in aquamacs emacs is highly modified from tabbar.el and i think it works only for aquamacs.) Xah