Re: occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

Re: occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[Elena]

Same here. Emacs pauses while saving files. I thought it was happening
whenever I had remote files opened, but it ended up not being like
that.

Re: Re: occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[Matthew L Daniel]

On 2:59 PM, Elena wrote:
> Same here. Emacs pauses while saving files. I thought it was happening
> whenever I had remote files opened, but it ended up not being like
> that.

What specific OS and CPU arch are you experiencing this with?

And do you have a standard hard drive or SSD?

   -- /v\atthew

Re: Re: occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[egarrulo]

2009/9/9 Matthew L Daniel <mdaniel@gmail.com>:
> On 2:59 PM, Elena wrote:
>>
>> Same here. Emacs pauses while saving files. I thought it was happening
>> whenever I had remote files opened, but it ended up not being like
>> that.
>
> What specific OS and CPU arch are you experiencing this with?
>
> And do you have a standard hard drive or SSD?

Only on Windows XP SP3 on x86. Emacs on my Linux box is OK.

Standard hard drive.

I've not used Emacs that much today, but as soon as it shows again,
I'll try the C-g tip.

Thanks for your attention.

Re: occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[Livin Stephen]

On Sep 9, 11:17 pm, egarrulo <egarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/9/9 Matthew L Daniel <mdan...@gmail.com>:
>
> > On 2:59 PM, Elena wrote:
>
> >> Same here. Emacs pauses while saving files. I thought it was happening
> >> whenever I had remote files opened, but it ended up not being like
> >> that.
>
> > What specific OS and CPU arch are you experiencing this with?
>
> > And do you have a standard hard drive or SSD?
>
> Only on Windows XP SP3 on x86. Emacs on my Linux box is OK.
>
> Standard hard drive.
>
> I've not used Emacs that much today, but as soon as it shows again,
> I'll try the C-g tip.
>
> Thanks for your attention.


GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (powerpc-apple-darwin8.11.0, NS apple-
appkit-824.48)

I've been seeing this same problem for the last month since I compiled
and built emacs on my PowerBook G4 Mac + OS X 10.4.11.

The 'beachball' spins for a few seconds but then emacs works fine
immediately afterwards.
I *have*  tried Ctrl-G, but I don't think it helps: and I would not be
surprised... doesn't the beachball mean 'unresponsive'?

And it is annoyingly frequent :)

To add detail, I'd like to mention that in my case, while I haven't
noticed that this happens more often with C-x C-s.. Will keep an eye
out for this!
steps I use to compile:
0. cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sv.gnu.org:/sources/emacs co emacs
1. ./configure --prefix /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS --with-
ns --enable-ns-self-contained=yes --enable-cocoa-experimental-ctrl-
g=yes # NOT 'sure' that used the 'experimental-C-g' option on this
latest build!
2. edit Makefile to remove 'maybe-blessmail'
3. make bootstrap ; make ; sudo make install

I used to build Carbon Emacs up till a couple of months ago, and do
not recall this behaviour.

Re: occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 11.09.2009 um 17:38 schrieb Livin Stephen:

> 3. make bootstrap ; make ; sudo make install


The second make is not necessary.

--
Greetings

   Pete

                   Sorry my terrible English, my native language Lisp!

Re: occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[Anselm Helbig]

At Mon, 7 Sep 2009 16:31:25 -0400,
Matthew Daniel <mdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I honestly tried searching for other occurrences of my problem in the
> mailing list archives, but unfortunately "pause" is also the name of
> an elisp function.
> 
> Periodically, emacs will pause - often with the Windows hourglass. It
> does accept my keystrokes, because when it "releases" they appear in
> the current buffer. These pauses last about 3 seconds, and I would not
> characterize them as variable in length. I have not found any
> systematic way of inducing the pause, but they happen pretty
> frequently during a C-x C-s sequence.
> 
> I have experienced this on both Windows XP 32-bit and Windows Vista
> 64-bit, on two separate machines (both Dells, and their only
> commonality is that they both use an Intel X-25M SSD).
> 
> My question is not necessarily "what is causing this", as I understand
> that my description is very hand-wavey. However, if someone can tell
> me what to check for, or how one would go about troubleshooting this
> behavior, I will do my best to help me help you help me. :-)
> 
> I have already tried starting `emacs.exe -q --no-site-file` to ensure
> it isn't some local configuration problem.

Can you interrupt emacs (with C-g) when this happens? If so, please do
a M-x toggle-debug-on-quit and tell use what kind of backtrace you
get.

All the best, 

Anselm


-- 
Anselm Helbig 
mailto:anselm.helbig+news2009@googlemail.com

occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[Matthew Daniel]

Hello,

I honestly tried searching for other occurrences of my problem in the
mailing list archives, but unfortunately "pause" is also the name of
an elisp function.

Periodically, emacs will pause - often with the Windows hourglass. It
does accept my keystrokes, because when it "releases" they appear in
the current buffer. These pauses last about 3 seconds, and I would not
characterize them as variable in length. I have not found any
systematic way of inducing the pause, but they happen pretty
frequently during a C-x C-s sequence.

I have experienced this on both Windows XP 32-bit and Windows Vista
64-bit, on two separate machines (both Dells, and their only
commonality is that they both use an Intel X-25M SSD).

My question is not necessarily "what is causing this", as I understand
that my description is very hand-wavey. However, if someone can tell
me what to check for, or how one would go about troubleshooting this
behavior, I will do my best to help me help you help me. :-)

I have already tried starting `emacs.exe -q --no-site-file` to ensure
it isn't some local configuration problem.

  Any insight will be greatly appreciated,
  -- /v\atthew

occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[Matthew Daniel]

Hello,

I honestly tried searching for other occurrences of my problem in the
mailing list archives, but unfortunately "pause" is also the name of
an elisp function.

Periodically, emacs will pause - often with the Windows hourglass. It
does accept my keystrokes, because when it "releases" they appear in
the current buffer. These pauses last about 3 seconds, and I would not
characterize them as variable in length. I have not found any
systematic way of inducing the pause, but they happen pretty
frequently during a C-x C-s sequence.

I have experienced this on both Windows XP 32-bit and Windows Vista
64-bit, on two separate machines (both Dells, and their only
commonality is that they both use an Intel X-25M SSD).

My question is not necessarily "what is causing this", as I understand
that my description is very hand-wavey. However, if someone can tell
me what to check for, or how one would go about troubleshooting this
behavior, I will do my best to help me help you help me. :-)

I have already tried starting `emacs.exe -q --no-site-file` to ensure
it isn't some local configuration problem.

 Any insight will be greatly appreciated,
 -- /v\atthew

p.s. please excuse this if it sends twice, I didn't have any luck the
first time I tried to send it.

Re: occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[Vincent Goulet]

On 9 sep, 15:56, Tyler Smith <tyler.sm...@eku.edu> wrote:
> Matthew Daniel wrote:
> > Periodically, emacs will pause - often with the Windows hourglass. It
> > does accept my keystrokes, because when it "releases" they appear in
> > the current buffer. These pauses last about 3 seconds, and I would not
> > characterize them as variable in length. I have not found any
> > systematic way of inducing the pause, but they happen pretty
> > frequently during a C-x C-s sequence.
>
> I had similar problems using the official Gnu Emacs release on Windows
> Vista, using an HP EliteBook. The program would freeze up periodically,
> not responding to anything for several seconds at a time. This happened
> often enough (once every few minutes or so) to make it unusable. Same
> thing with the version shipped with Cygwin.
>
> I switched to the version packaged by Vincent Goulet, and now everything
> works very smoothly. I'm not sure what he does, but it fixed my problem.
> The site is here:
>
> http://vgoulet.act.ulaval.ca/en/ressources/emacs/

[Thanks to Elena for pointing me to this discussion.]

My distribution is built from the precompiled binaries distribution at
gnu.org. I do make one modification, though, that _was_ important back
in the 21.x days when I started building a distribution.

Does freezing happen when you switch from Emacs to another application
and then back? I found out (can't remember how) way back that this
happens when no HOME environment variable is defined. That's why it is
automatically created by my installation wizard when the variable does
not previously exist.

That may do the trick.

HTH

Vincent


>
> HTH,
>
> Tyler> I have experienced this on both Windows XP 32-bit and Windows Vista
> > 64-bit, on two separate machines (both Dells, and their only
> > commonality is that they both use an Intel X-25M SSD).
>
> > My question is not necessarily "what is causing this", as I understand
> > that my description is very hand-wavey. However, if someone can tell
> > me what to check for, or how one would go about troubleshooting this
> > behavior, I will do my best to help me help you help me. :-)
>
> > I have already tried starting `emacs.exe -q --no-site-file` to ensure
> > it isn't some local configuration problem.
>
> >  Any insight will be greatly appreciated,
> >  -- /v\atthew
>
> > p.s. please excuse this if it sends twice, I didn't have any luck the
> > first time I tried to send it.

Re: Re: occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[Matthew L Daniel]

On 2:59 PM, Vincent Goulet wrote:
> Does freezing happen when you switch from Emacs to another application
> and then back? I found out (can't remember how) way back that this
> happens when no HOME environment variable is defined. That's why it is
> automatically created by my installation wizard when the variable does
> not previously exist.

In my case, it is not when Emacs regains focus but rather when one tries 
to perform an action: typing, saving, cutting text, and so forth. It 
does not appear to be limited to just keyboard initiated actions, since 
I experience the pauses when using the toolbar, too.

However, I didn't have a HOME environment variable set, so I gave that a 
try. It did not change my experience, but it was a great suggestion.

On that topic: vanilla Emacs/w32 (i.e. emacs.exe -q --no-site-file) says 
(expand-file-name "~") => "c:/Users/mdaniel/AppData/Roaming". Is there 
some good reason why it chooses AppData\Roaming instead of 
\Users\mdaniel like intuition would predict? This is not specific to 
Vista, BTW; on XP it thinks "C:\Documents and 
Settings\mdaniel\Application Data" is "~".

I will certainly give Vincent's custom distribution a whirl and see how 
that works out. Everyone needs an installation of LaTeX on their 
machine, anyway. :-)

   Thanks for your help,
   -- /v\atthew

Re: occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[Reto]

Hello

I'm experiencing the same problem on a domain computer xp sp2 with
emacs 23.1.1 offical binary
I don't think it has anything to to with tramp
emacs22 also has tramp AFAIK

Greetings,
Reto


Matthew L Daniel wrote:
> On 11/16/2009 7:43 PM, eric_backus@alum.mit.edu wrote:
>  > Hi Matthew,
>  >

>  > Thanks for the fast response.  Yes, my machine is part of a domain.
>  > And I found that the stuttering goes away when I am connected to the
>  > domain.  I guess this would imply that there is something to do with
>  > accessing files or permissions or something which it trying to talk
>  > to the domain controller?  Unfortunately, I don't understand windows
>  > networking enough to be able to debug this any further.
>  >
>  > I do notice that there are environment variables USERDOMAIN,
>  > USERDNSDOMAIN, and LOGONSERVER present in the emacs environment.
>  > Maybe I'll try removing these before starting emacs and see if that
>  > helps.  Seems unlikely though.
>  >
>
> Hi Eric (and list),
>
> I'm bringing this discussion back to the mailing list so we can share
> this new information and search for a solution.
>
> To bring the list up to speed, Eric is experiencing the same stutter on
> his machine that I experience. I asked if his machine was part of an
> active directory domain (which is the only thing I could think that was
> common between the two computers on which I experience this problem).
>
> As you can see, his answer is yes, which is great because now we have
> something else to discuss.
>
> What kind of experiments can we run to figure out what Emacs is trying
> to do?
>
> Also, I wondered if perhaps this behavior was related to "tramp" since
> 22.3 doesn't have tramp and also doesn't stutter (for Eric or myself).
>
>    Any insight will be greatly appreciated!
>    -- /v\atthew

Re: Re: occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[Matthew L Daniel]

On 2:59 PM, Reto wrote:
> Hello
>
> I'm experiencing the same problem on a domain computer xp sp2 with
> emacs 23.1.1 offical binary
> I don't think it has anything to to with tramp
> emacs22 also has tramp AFAIK
>
> Greetings,
> Reto

Yes, I remembered a few days ago that I have a problem with all 
MSYS/MinGW based programs, and M-x about-emacs shows it was built using 
MinGW. Here is the description of my symptoms with MSYS 
(https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=202435&aid=2077300&group_id=2435)

For example, as detailed in that link, launching rxvt.exe (which comes 
with MSYS) takes quite a few seconds. I don't know if it "stutters" the 
same way as Emacs because I am not typing as much in it; in fact, Emacs 
is the most interactive MSYS/MinGW application I have.

On the one hand, I'm sorry that blamed Emacs, but on the other hand 
since the Windows version of Emacs uses MSYS, this is relevant.

   -- /v\atthew

Re: Re: occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[Reto Hubmann]

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On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Matthew L Daniel <mdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2:59 PM, Reto wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> I'm experiencing the same problem on a domain computer xp sp2 with
>> emacs 23.1.1 offical binary
>> I don't think it has anything to to with tramp
>> emacs22 also has tramp AFAIK
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Reto
>>
>
> Yes, I remembered a few days ago that I have a problem with all MSYS/MinGW
> based programs, and M-x about-emacs shows it was built using MinGW. Here is
> the description of my symptoms with MSYS (
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=202435&aid=2077300&group_id=2435
> )
>
> For example, as detailed in that link, launching rxvt.exe (which comes with
> MSYS) takes quite a few seconds. I don't know if it "stutters" the same way
> as Emacs because I am not typing as much in it; in fact, Emacs is the most
> interactive MSYS/MinGW application I have.
>
> On the one hand, I'm sorry that blamed Emacs, but on the other hand since
> the Windows version of Emacs uses MSYS, this is relevant.
>
>  -- /v\atthew
>

You could be right about MinGW. I've tried to find a emacs23 VC build, but
couldn't find anything... probably I will try to compile myself when I find
some time..

Reto

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Re: Re: occasional pause (or stutter) on win32 emacs 23.0.95

[Juanma Barranquero]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 17:13, Matthew L Daniel <mdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:

> On the one hand, I'm sorry that blamed Emacs, but on the other hand since
> the Windows version of Emacs uses MSYS, this is relevant.

For the record, you don't need MSYS to build or run a MinGW build of Emacs.

    Juanma