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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <9bceaf08-4a29-4593-be31-13e3b459763d@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <873ajzwoqu.fsf@kobe.laptop> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1221716502 2553 80.91.229.12 (18 Sep 2008 05:41:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:41:42 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 18 07:42:39 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KgCHk-0002gU-BD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:42:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56216 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KgCGj-0006vN-4c for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:41:33 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 220 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.185.159 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1221716134 22701 127.0.0.1 (18 Sep 2008 05:35:34 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.185.159; posting-account=qPxGtQkAAADb6PWdLGiWVucht1ZDR6fn User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:162411 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:57754 Archived-At: Knu jebgr: =C2=ABV guvax gur rkvfgnapr bs gur yvfc fpengpu ohssre vf bar bs gur znwbe hfnovyvgl ceboyrz bs rznpf gung ceriragf rznpf sebz orvat jvqryl nqbcgrq ol zbfg grkg rqvgvat nhqvrapr.=C2=BB Tvbetbf Xrenzvqnf jebgr: > Uv Knu , > > Sbe jung vg'f jbegu, V guvax V jbhyq nccerpvngr na bcgvba gung znxrf gur > pheerag orunivbe bs gur *fpengpu* ohssre ghanoyr, v.r. ol na bcgvba yvxr: > > (qrsine fpengpu-ohssre-hfrf-shaqnzragny-zbqr avy > "Aba-avy znxrf gur *fpengpu* ohssre hfr `shaqnzragny-zbqr'. > > Rznpf erperngrf gur *fpengpu* ohssre va `yvfc-vagrenpgvba-zbqr'. > Vs lbh ner abg ernyyl vagrerfgrq gb hfr `yvfc-vagrenpgvba-zbqr', > ohg lbh jbhyq cersre gb fgneg nyy fpengpu ohssref va > `shaqnzragny-zbqr', gb fgneg rqvgvat grkg vafgrnq bs glcvat Yvfc > rkcerffvbaf, frg gur `fpengpu-ohssre-hfrf-shaqnzragny-zbqr' > inevnoyr gb n aba-avy inyhr.") ol univat n Arj pbzznaq jvgu Pgey+a xrl, vg fbyirf guvf ceboyrz jvgu fpengpu cyhf jung lbh jnag. =E2=80=A2 Gur Arj pbzznaq vf n fgnaqneq npebff Znp, Jvaqbjf, Havk (Yvahk). = Vg vf snzvyvne gb nyy fbsgjner hfref. =E2=80=A2 Gur Pgey+a fubegphg sbe Arj vf fgnaqneq naq snzvyvne gb nyy fbsgj= ner hfref. =E2=80=A2 Gur Arj pbzzznaq (jurer gur pbeerfcbaqvat ryvfc pbzznaq anzr zvtu= g jvyy or anzrq arj-rzcgl-ohssre), pna fhccynag pbzcyrgryl gur shapgvbanyvgl bs *fpengpu* ohssre. =E2=80=A2 Jura hfref jnag gb unir n fpengpu ohssre, ur pna perngr vg ol fvz= cyl cerffvat gur fubegphg, naq jura ur qbrfa'g jnag vg, ur pna fvzcyl pybfr vg jvgu n fgnaqneq xrlfgebxr Pgey+j. =E2=80=A2 Hfref pna unir zhygvcyr *fpengpu* ohssref rnfvyl jvgubhg gur arrq= gb ybbx vagb rznpf qbp. =E2=80=A2 Gur =E2=80=9C*fpengpu*=E2=80=9D anzr vf abg va fbzr grpuavpny wne= tba frafr gur orfg bar. =E2=80=9C*hagvgyrq*=E2=80=9D be =E2=80=9Chagvgyrq=E2=80=9D vf n orggre= bar, naq jvqryl hfrq npebff fbzr 99% bs BFrf naq nccyvpngvbaf. Gur anzr =E2=80=9C*fpengpu*=E2=80= =9D vf haarprffnevyl aneebj, nf gb vaqvpngr gung gur ohssre'f pbagrag vf bayl sbe grzc checbfrf, juvyr =E2=80=9Chagvgyrq=E2=80=9D pna vapyhqr gur checbfr= bs fpengpu, naq pna or qvfpneqrq whfg nf =E2=80=9C*fpengpu*=E2=80=9D. =E2=80=A2 Gur erfcnjavat bs =E2=80=9C*fpengpu*=E2=80=9D ohssre orunivbe vf = hahfhny, nyzbfg havdhr gb rznpf nzbat gur gubhfnaqf bs nccyvpngvba gbqnl. Yrggvat hfre unir pbageby gb perngr naq naq qvfpneq fhpu ohssre vf orggre. =E2=80=A2 Gur =E2=80=9C*fpengpu*=E2=80=9D ohssre vf cevznevyl hfrq ol ryvfc= cebtenzref. Srj cebsrffvbany cebtenzref va gur VG vaqhfgel xabjf nobhg yvfc, naq bayl zvabe crepragntr bs rznpf hfref npghnyyl pbqr rznpf yvfc. > > V jebgr fbzr qrgnvy nobhg vg urer: > > uggc://knuyrr.bet/rznpf/zbqreavmngvba.ugzy > > Ohg V qba'g yvxr gur `crefbany nggnpx' fglyr gung guvf grkg hfrf, naq V > qba'g ernyyl nterr jvgu *nyy* gur cebcbfrq `zbqreavmngvba' srngherf. Gur Zbqreavmngvba bs Rznpf negvpyr ng uggc://knuyrr.bet/rznpf/zbqreavmngvba.ugzy qbrf abg unir nal =E2=80=9Ccrefbany nggnpx=E2=80=9D jevgvat fglyr. Creuncf = lbh jrer guvaxvat zl bgure arjftebhc cbfgf ryfrjurer jurer guvf vffhr vf qvfphffrq. > V qba'g ernyyl nterr jvgu *nyy* gur cebcbfrq `zbqreavmngvba' > srngherf. Vs lbh nterr gb fbzr, cyrnfr svyr n oht ercbeg, be uryc fcernq gur vqrn. Gunaxf sbe qvfphffvat guvf vffhr jvgu zr. > Vs lbh jrer gb fcyvg gung qbphzrag vagb fznyyre `srngherf' naq bar bs > gurz jnf n cebcbfny gb nqq na bcgvba sbe gur qrsnhyg zbqr bs *fpengpu* > ohssref, naq n tbbq qrfpevcgvba bs ubj lbh jbhyq fhttrfg gung jr nqq n > cebzcg sbe *fpengpu* ohssref gung ner zbqvsvrq, V jbhyq or zber guna > jvyyvat gb uryc lbh jvgu gur grfgvat naq vagrtengvba bs nal cngpurf gb > gur znva Rznpf fbhepr gerr. > > Zl bja vqrn nobhg *fpengpu* ohssref gung qb abg sver hc bayl va gur > pheerag `yvfc-vagrenpgvba-zbqr' fgngr vf fbzrguvat yvxr: > > * Nqq na bcgvba gung znl or frg gb n aba-avy inyhr gb znxr *fpengpu* > ohssref hfr `shaqnzragny-zbqr', be rira orggre, na bcgvba gung > qrsvarf _juvpu_ zbqr n *fgneghc* ohssre fubhyq hfr. > > Gjb cbffvoyr inevngvbaf bs guvf bcgvba jbhyq or: > > ;;; Obbyrna bcgvba > ;; N obbyrna bcgvba gung znxrf *fpengpu* ohssref sver hc va > ;; `shaqnzragny-zbqr' ol qrsnhyg. Gur bcgvba jbhyq or frg gb `avy' > ;; ol qrsnhyg, ohg vg fubhyq or rnfl gb gjrnx gur bcgvba bapr naq > ;; xrrc vg frg sberire. > > (qrsphfgbz fpengpu-ohssre-hfrf-shaqnzragny-zbqr avy > "Aba-avy znxrf gur *fpengpu* ohssre hfr `shaqnzragny-zbqr'. > > Rznpf erperngrf gur *fpengpu* ohssre va `yvfc-vagrenpgvba-zbqr'. > Vs lbh ner abg ernyyl vagrerfgrq gb hfr `yvfc-vagrenpgvba-zbqr', > ohg lbh jbhyq cersre gb fgneg nyy fpengpu ohssref va > `shaqnzragny-zbqr', gb fgneg rqvgvat grkg vafgrnq bs glcvat Yvfc > rkcerffvbaf, frg gur `fpengpu-ohssre-hfrf-shaqnzragny-zbqr' > inevnoyr gb n aba-avy inyhr." > :glcr 'obbyrna > :tebhc 'rqvgvat-onfvpf > :tebhc 'pbairavrapr) > > ;;; N yvfg bs pubvprf. > ;; Fgvyy frg gb gur qrsnhyg `yvfc-vagrenpgvba-zbqr' > (qrsphfgbz fpengpu-ohssre-fgneghc-zbqr 'yvfc-vagrenpgvba-zbqr > "Gur qrsnhyg zbqr gb hfr sbe *fpengpu* ohssref. > > Vs gur inyhr vf `yvfc' fgneg va yvfc-vagrenpgvba-zbqr. > Vs gur inyhr vf `grkg' fgneg va grkg-zbqr. > Vs gur inyhr vf `shaqnzragny' fgneg va jungrire zbqr unf orra > pbasvtherq nf gur qrsnhyg `shaqnzragny-zbqr'. > Vs gur inyhr vf n shapgvba, hfr gung shapgvba gb frg-hc gur > fgneghc zbqr bs *fpengpu* ohssref." > :glcr '(pubvpr (pbafg :gnt "Yvfc vagrenpgvba zbqr" 'yvfc) > (pbafg :gnt "Grkg zbqr" 'grkg) > (pbafg :gnt "Shaqnzragny zbqr" 'shaqnzragny) > (shapgvba :gnt "Phfgbz zbqr")) > :tebhc 'rqvgvat-onfvpf > :tebhc 'pbairavrapr) > > * Nqq gur fpengpu ohssre gb gur yvfg bs ohssref gung gevttre n cebzcg > vs gurl ner zbqvsvrq naq gur hfre glcrf `P-k P-p' gb yrnir Rznpf. > > Evtug abj bar pna bcra _bar_ fpengpu ohssre bayl. Rznpf hfrf > `ohssre-zbqvsvrq-c' nf gur bayl pevgrevba, ohg guvf qbrfa'g jbex sbe > fpengpu ohssref abj. Vg fubhyq cebonoyl or na bcgvba gbb, be rira n > shapgvba gung purpxf `fpengpu-ohssre-fgneghc-zbqr' naq qrpvqrf. V > unira'g gubhtug gbb zhpu nobhg guvf lrg, fb V nz abg fher vs vg > fbhaqf yvxr n frafvoyr guvat gb qb. V guvax lbhe zbqry pna pbzcyvpngr gur hfre vagresnpr. N fvzcyr Arj zrah pbzznaq (perngr-rzcgl-ohssre) gung perngrf n arj ohssre va fbzr phfgbzvmnoyr qrsnhyg zbqr, fbyirf jung lbh jnagrq naq vg tvirf lbh rkgen cbjre. Rznpf qbrf abg cebivqr n hfre yriry shapgvba gb perngr n arj ohssre. Vg unf whfg Arj, juvpu npghnyyl perngrf n rzcgl svyr. Zbfg nccf'f Arj pbzznaq qbrf abg jbex yvxr gung. Gurl npghnyyl whfg perngr n arj ohssre, naq bayl jura hfre fnir vg vg orpbzrf n svyr. Perngvat n arj ohssre vf npghnyyl dhvgr hfrshy. Sbe rknzcyr, jryy xabja cebtenzre Fgrirl Lrtt va uvf =E2=80=9CRssrpgvir Rznpf=E2=80=9D oybt y= vfg vg nf n gbc 10 gvc va rznpf cebqhpgvivgl. Gur rznpf zrah fubhyq unir n Arj pbzznaq jvgu Pgey+a gung pnyyf perngr-rzcgl-ohssre. ------------------------- CF nf v zragvbarq va cerivbhf zrffntr, v qvq vzcyrzrag gur nobir. Va zl qensg pbqr, =E2=80=A2 perngr-arj-ohssre jvyy perngr n arj rzcgl ohssre anzrq =E2=80=9Ch= agvgyrq=E2=80=9D. (guvf fubhyq or nqqrq gur zrah pbzznaq haqre =E2=80=9CSvyr=E2=80=A3Arj=E2= =80=9D ohg v unira'g qbar gung lrg.) =E2=80=A2 perngr-arj-ohssre unf fgnaqneq xrlobneq fubegphg Pgey+a. =E2=80=A2 ryvfc pbzznaq pybfr-pheerag-ohssre jvyy pybfr gur pheerag ohssre, naq vs vg vf n ohssre abg nffbpvngrq jvgu n svyr (fhpu nf =E2=80=9Chagvgyrq= =E2=80=9D), vg'yy nfx hfre gb fnir (hayrff vg unf ab pbagrag) =E2=80=A2 pybfr-pheerag-ohssre unf gur fgnaqneq xrlobneq fubegphg Pgey+j. =E2=80=A2 pybfr-pheerag-ohssre fubhyq unir zrah haqre =E2=80=9CSvyr=E2=80= =A3Pybfr=E2=80=9D, ohg vg vf abg pheeragyl qbar. Gur rkvfgvat =E2=80=9CSvyr=E2=80=A3Pybfr=E2=80=9D zrah = pbzznaq pnyyf xvyy- guvf-ohssre, juvpu unf 2 ceboyrzf. (1) vg qbrfa'g unir n fubegphg. (2) vg qbrfa'g nfx hfref gb fnir n aba-svyr-nffbpvngrq ohssre ng nyy. (guvf vf znwbe ceboyrz gung yrnqf gb ybfvat qngn; vapyhqvat =E2=80=9C*fpengpu*=E2=80=9D ohssre. Gur snpg gung rznpf hfref qbag frrz gb = abgvpr guvf ceboyrz vf orpnhfr vg qbrfa'g unir n xrlobneq fubegphg, fb gung npghnyyl abobql hfrf guvf pbzznaq. Zbfg hfr xvyy-ohssre, juvpu vf naablvat orpnhfr vg cebzcf rira vs gur svyr vf nyernql fnirq.) Lbh pna svaq gur pbqr sbe gur nobir vzcyrzragngvba urer: uggc://knuyrr.bet/rznpf/zbqrea_bcrengvbaf.ry Gur pbqr vf cenpgvpnyyl hfnoyr, fvapr v hfr vg qnvyl sbe nobhg unys n lrne abj jvgu vaperzragny vzcebirzrag naq oht svkrf, ohg v'z fher vg pna hfr n ybg zber cbyvfuvat sbe choyvp hfr. Vg vf TCY'q, fb srry serr gb teno cvrprf sbe lbhe bja hfr be fhozvg vagb TAH. bar guvat yrnqf gb nabgure... v'z tbvat gb svyr n oht ercbeg (n fhttrfgvba) ba gur =E2=80=9C*fpengpu*=E2=80=9D abj. (sbe fbzr ernfba, tbbtyr tebhcf jba'g yrg zr cbfg guvf zrffntr... fb v'z ercylvat ol rznvy sbe abj) Knu =E2=88=91 uggc://knuyrr.bet/ =E2=98=84