From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 21:34:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9ae6762d-a52a-4a06-b2e9-dab893a22d38@default> References: <877fy77zhp.fsf@web.de> <87k326d4ww.fsf@gmail.com> <877fy6rp2o.fsf@web.de> <548230FB.40307@dancol.org> <5482C872.5010304@dancol.org> <5483C537.3010707@dancol.org> <54840719.5080209@dancol.org> <87a92zmnv4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <5484FD09.60603@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418016895 3919 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2014 05:34:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 05:34:55 +0000 (UTC) To: Daniel Colascione , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 06:34:48 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxqy8-0000mh-7t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 06:34:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60158 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxqy7-0007Gy-Nt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 00:34:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47759) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxqxm-0007Fd-2l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 00:34:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxqxd-0006xZ-Bt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 00:34:26 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:34819) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxqxd-0006xS-5t; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 00:34:17 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id sB85Y63b032602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Dec 2014 05:34:07 GMT Original-Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sB85Y4Oh008498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Dec 2014 05:34:06 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sB85Y4IK007205; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 05:34:04 GMT In-Reply-To: <5484FD09.60603@dancol.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179360 Archived-At: > The entire Common Lisp ecosystem is a counterexample so your rather > sweeping declaration. In practice, namespaces are rather useful > despite the need to *sometimes* fully *some* symbols. It's still > better than having to fully specify *every* symbol on *every* use. That was my experience also. > > In practice, you have to write the package prefix whenever you > > refer to a symbol that has one. It might as well be part of the > > symbol name itself. Thus, packages complicate the language > > definition while providing no benefit. >=20 > There's a lot of Lisp code out there that uses packages in the way > they were meant to be used, and your personal distaste for the > mechanism shouldn't keep namespaces out of elisp. I wonder whether perhaps Richard ran into the need to use prefixes so much because he was implementing the CL package system, and not just making normal use of it. Just a conjecture.