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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266762 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > I don't use `C-o' myself, so I can't really say to what degree this > would be annoying or not for users. Any `C-o' users who have an opinion > here? I'm a corner case here, FWIW. I use C-o quite frequently to open a new line... except I didn't like Emacs's line-splitting behavior! Instead I define dxc/vim-style-open-line as (goto-char (point-at-eol)) (insert "\n") to approximate what 'o' does in Vim. I should possibly add support for a prefix argument to switch to before the current line, and maybe indentation... I think I mentioned in an earlier thread that any redefinition of C-o would probably make me grumble for a short while before adjusting my customizations to compensate, if nothing else. But I'm also quite sympathetic to the "increasing skew between people's keymaps creates fragmentation issues" line of thought---I'm just already invested in one branch of response to that in practice... -RTT