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From: "Ami Fischman" <ami@fischman.org>
To: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: crazy interaction between buffer-locality and function-locality of variables
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:43:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9aa0cfde0811020943l24121f8cj78bbf82709036f9d@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvk5bmt6ms.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> > It seems to me that this behavior is broken, but if it's to be kept
> It's partly broken, but other behaviors are broken in other ways.
> The only good solution is to be careful not to mix them up (except when
> it's really wanted, such as with default-directory which is often
> let-bound).

My point was that the only way to avoid mixing the behaviors is to
make variable names unwieldy.  As an async-event-handler-writer all
function arguments and local variables must be
globally-uniquely-named, and as a major-mode writer all buffer-local
variables must be globally-uniquely-named.  The latter is perhaps not
too terrible a burden, but the former would make coding in elisp
unbearable IMO.  I'll report this to the gnus devel list.

> > there needs to be strong guidance against making variables whose names
> > /aren't/ prefixed with the package name buffer-local.
> Agreed.  Where would you like to see it?  In the coding conventions?

At least also at the same place as the warning about the conflict
between buffer-locals and let-binding in elisp.info that I pointed to
in my original email.  But also this should be a great big warning in
the defun docs of the make-variable-*-local and make-local-variable
since it's the authors using those functions (and friends?  I don't
have a complete list) that must shoulder the burden of avoiding
collisions.

-a




  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-02 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-02  3:34 crazy interaction between buffer-locality and function-locality of variables Ami Fischman
2008-11-02 16:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-02 17:43   ` Ami Fischman [this message]
2008-11-02 20:05     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-02 20:31       ` crazy interaction between buffer-locality and function-localityof variables Drew Adams
2008-11-02 23:19 ` crazy interaction between buffer-locality and function-locality of variables Richard M. Stallman
2008-11-02 23:59   ` Ami Fischman

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