From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13061: 24.3.50; regressions: 1) Redefining a function should cancel `debug-on-entry',2) doc Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 20:31:14 -0800 Message-ID: <9EEAAAF114444EFAB5EF4FE61F576CFB@us.oracle.com> References: <4D9429E5C68E4B88A5B315E911D9EA47@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1355027504 13773 80.91.229.3 (9 Dec 2012 04:31:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 04:31:44 +0000 (UTC) To: <13061@debbugs.gnu.org> Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 09 05:31:58 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ThYYS-0001Gu-52 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:31:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56331 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ThYYF-00071H-PD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:31:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52000) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ThYYB-000717-Ik for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:31:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ThYYA-0005bx-HA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:31:35 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:51469) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ThYYA-0005bt-Dn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:31:34 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ThYYb-00051O-NP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:32:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 04:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13061 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13061-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13061.135502751719292 (code B ref 13061); Sun, 09 Dec 2012 04:32:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13061) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2012 04:31:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33487 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ThYYW-000517-Mv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:31:57 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:46770) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ThYYU-00050z-7M for 13061@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:31:54 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qB94VOhc032362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <13061@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 04:31:25 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qB94VOM0023869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <13061@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 04:31:24 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt111.oracle.com (abhmt111.oracle.com [141.146.116.63]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qB94VN0b012154 for <13061@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 22:31:24 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 20:31:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <4D9429E5C68E4B88A5B315E911D9EA47@us.oracle.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac3Qxc7sC+zx21nKSFiXdmZcNcuLEQE/txvQ X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:68222 Archived-At: 1. I really hope this regression gets fixed soon. It's quite annoying that redefining a function does not cancel `debug-on-entry' for it. 2. Wrt the recent abuse by Emacs Dev of the term "Warning": Think about the terms they use for hurricanes and such, situations which are FAR more serious than what Emacs has to deal with: a. The first level of making people aware is called an "Advisory". b. "Warning" is used only for a much higher level involving imminent danger. The equivalent of "advisory" wrt documentation is generally "Note", "Notice", or "Attention". You are just drawing attention to a statement, without a connotation of danger. Emacs doc should stop being so alarmist, generally. And in the case of this bug, it is downright perverted to "warn" about a positive feature.