From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Carsten Dominik Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Copyright question Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:15:00 +0200 Message-ID: <9D9EC5C7-6CD3-47BD-AA0F-AE8D5EACF30B@uva.nl> References: <82BFC2C8-9E38-491F-863D-1C420AB13882@uva.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213461221 10979 80.91.229.12 (14 Jun 2008 16:33:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 14 18:34:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K7Yhr-0004kB-Ms for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:34:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43462 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K7Yh3-0000Gv-Ic for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:33:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K7YZc-00032o-LB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:25:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K7YZb-000324-4h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:25:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41620 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K7YTO-00082U-2l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:19:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:38746) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K7XHy-0008Qu-RB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:03:35 -0400 Original-Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.250]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K7Vb9-0002Jy-FA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:15:15 -0400 Original-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c38so855516ana.84 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:15:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:to:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date :references:x-mailer:from:sender; bh=FI0k5f5utAcOs45j7gUTUGTFz2pdmMaFOetOKFARLF0=; b=CG2JYn/uuLAcRlpkOe8UhPfgtV42f7k0gnwNemwHIWJNXvytlnBTjuY0awZcQwF8fM hFbjBWpT8d09k2iUtdgP0nppkEKF9DVHn9qwcxO3VBGXjF73LppfG7igHf6hcrenb4gd z6FOx+U0QMEWEXc/aZ0gpDEaBXVjw3KXow5N4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer:from:sender; b=jDud6NTbBFSIOIlHsbtDBnuwdqp26jZBs07dvuxY05PLOuRhDmelcdTJzmX98pyTtd XzFWvVRx7MKKCYo25alebD2/dLefpuluCO07YGU5AcxtaBABfKJUW5z16CWN7vHPFP7G 5ocu+IqkFxYCDqRnh5gDjcrnrFdK8OFTIsWeo= Original-Received: by 10.100.121.12 with SMTP id t12mr5556495anc.132.1213449313956; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?192.168.1.13? ( [81.70.132.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d22sm6744970and.2.2008.06.14.06.15.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:15:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99183 Archived-At: On Jun 14, 2008, at 12:48 AM, Richard M Stallman wrote: >> Also, you do not need to abandon the GFDL to be allowed in the main >> section of Debian. You "only" need to use the GFDL without any >> front&back matters (IIRC). > > Well, I am happy with this solution, > > We do not need a solution because we don't have a problem. > Debian has a problem, and the solution for that is to change their > policy. > > Please do not make this change; it goes against our licensing > policies. Ok, so I cannot make this change to the version of the manual in GNU Emacs. However, for me the highest priority is that the free software I write and the documentation that accompanies it should be available to other with the best guaranties that its use remains free. THis is why I distribute Org-mode under the GPL, with Emacs. I don't have the time or inclination to try to advance this discussion about the GFDL. I have been reading some of the past discussion, and it seems clear to me what the positions are and that they are not likely to change soon. The point is, independent of who is right or wrong, I would like to cater for the needs of the Debian project. Since I am asked to not change the copyright for the Manual as distributed with GNU Emacs, the question that remains for me is this: Does the fact that the Org-mode manual is under GFDL mean that I cannot distribute, separately, a version that I put under GPL? Or do I as the author have the freedom to do just that? Any advice would be much appreciated. - Carsten