From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chad Brown Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AW: delete-selection-mode Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:33:48 -0700 Message-ID: <9C7C186F-EDB5-4837-977B-1B9BA2695BD1@mit.edu> References: <4BA0CDF9.40707@online.de> <76682E4761EA432EB929E5E199B0F92A@us.oracle.com> <87wrxb57e1.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20100317.200901.408057447.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <87sk7y2gh9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268932615 2993 80.91.229.12 (18 Mar 2010 17:16:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:16:55 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 18 18:16:49 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsJKx-0001O2-TP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:16:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60318 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsJKx-0002vH-6h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:16:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NsIfW-0000Qv-Ez for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:33:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54386 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsIfU-0000Pi-Vz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:33:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsIfR-0008Co-K0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:33:56 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu ([18.9.25.12]:55641) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsIfR-0008CU-IK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:33:53 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190c-b7c8cae00000610c-c7-4ba255f07983 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu (MAILHUB-AUTH-3.MIT.EDU [18.9.21.43]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu (Symantec Brightmail Gateway) with SMTP id 59.5E.24844.0F552AB4; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id o2IGXqHi021836 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:33:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.6] (c-98-247-149-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.149.76]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id o2IGXntV017445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:33:51 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87sk7y2gh9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122175 Archived-At: On Mar 18, 2010, at 1:15 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > And get a bell. In the course of a normal editing operation. >=20 > We are talking about the beginner setup, remember? The beginner that > did not yet customize things (like visible-bell) because he does not > know how. The beginner that tries Emacs in an office full of people. >=20 > Not that this beginner will have a clue about C-g anyway: he'll just > have to figure out a different way to deactivate the region if he is > ever going to type another character. The beginner who finds itself with a highlighted region that it doesn't = want highlighted will remove it by clicking with the mouse, like they do = in every other editing context that they've ever used. They will get no = bell. =20 The slightly more advanced beginner who doesn't want to use the mouse = will instead use an arrow key, again like they do in every other editing = context that they've ever used. Again, they will get no bell. Eventually, if we lay out the breadcrumbs well and if their curiosity = leads them in that direction, they will discover that emacs can change = this interaction, and that removing the convenience of tmm/delsel (and = many, many people find that behavior more convenient) opens up the = possibility of a more elaborate set of options. They'll also learn at = that time (again assuming that we handle that part of the documentation = adequately) that there are middle grounds between the two extremes, and = that, as it says on the very first line of description we show people: = ``GNU Emacs is an extensible, customizable text editor=97and more.'' -- = and then they will decide for themselves. =20 *Chad=