Agenda view for logging?

Agenda view for logging?

[Jose Robins]

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I'm slowly getting familiar with the agenda view. I see that the agenda 
view shows the "time-of-day-specification" in the time column. Is there 
any way to show the time stamps based on the logbook entries? So e.g. If 
the clock properties for a headline1 is from 9:20 am to 9:55 am, and 
headline2 has 10:15 to 10:44 am, then  the agenda view should show ...

9:20-9:55   headline1
10:15-10:44 headline2

(instead of the time-of-day). Is that possible?

Also, the manual says in page 67 of the pdf : "a time range may appear 
as plain text (like '12:45' or a "8:30-1pm"). If I understood this 
correctly, I should be able to put...

*task1 8:30-1:00pm 

in an org file and if I go to the agenda view, I should see this listed 
in today's agenda from 8:30 am to 1:00pm. However I don't seem to be 
able to see that happening. Did I get that wrong? I'm using verson 5.23a 
of or-mode in emacs 22.1

Thanks,
Jose


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Re: Agenda view for logging?

[Manish]

    On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Jose Robins wrote:
    >
    >  I'm slowly getting familiar with the agenda view. I see that the agenda
    > view shows the "time-of-day-specification" in the time column.
Is there any
    > way to show the time stamps based on the logbook entries? So e.g. If the
    > clock properties for a headline1 is from 9:20 am to 9:55 am, and headline2
    > has 10:15 to 10:44 am, then  the agenda view should show ...
    >
    >  9:20-9:55   headline1
    >  10:15-10:44 headline2
    >

You do get this if you create a task like so:

******* TODO 1pm-14:30 another test task for Jose
               SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed>
               CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:30]
******* TODO test task for Jose 12:30-8:00pm
               SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed>
               CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:15]

And the agenda (with time grid turned on) looks like this:

Day-agenda (W15):
Wednesday   9 April 2008
                    8:00...... -------------------------
                    9:00...... -------------------------
                   10:00...... -------------------------
                   11:00...... -------------------------
                   12:00...... -------------------------
  braindump:       12:30-20:00 Scheduled:  TODO test task for Jose
                   13:00...... -------------------------
                   14:00...... -------------------------
  braindump:       13:00-14:30 Scheduled:  TODO another test task for Jose
                   15:00...... -------------------------
                   16:00...... -------------------------
                   17:00...... -------------------------
                   18:00...... -------------------------
                   19:00...... -------------------------
                   20:00...... -------------------------
                   21:00...... -------------------------
                   22:00...... ------------------------

    >  (instead of the time-of-day). Is that possible?
    >
    >  Also, the manual says in page 67 of the pdf : "a time range may appear as
    > plain text (like '12:45' or a "8:30-1pm").

This is in section 10.4.2 / page marked #70 or page 77 as reported by
PDF reader (at least in manual for Release 6.00pre-2).

    > If I understood this correctly, I
    > should be able to put...
    >
    >  *task1 8:30-1:00pm
    >
    >  in an org file and if I go to the agenda view, I should see
this listed in
    > today's agenda from 8:30 am to 1:00pm. However I don't seem to be able to
    > see that happening. Did I get that wrong? I'm using verson 5.23a
of or-mode
    > in emacs 22.1
    >

I think you either have not added SCHEDULED (C-c C-s) or have not
turned the time grid on (`G' in agenda view).

HTH,
-- Manish

Re: Agenda view for logging?

[Jose Robins]

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Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to "schedule" it 
as well. Now it works...

Thanks,
Manish wrote:
>     On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Jose Robins wrote:
>     >
>     >  I'm slowly getting familiar with the agenda view. I see that the agenda
>     > view shows the "time-of-day-specification" in the time column.
> Is there any
>     > way to show the time stamps based on the logbook entries? So e.g. If the
>     > clock properties for a headline1 is from 9:20 am to 9:55 am, and headline2
>     > has 10:15 to 10:44 am, then  the agenda view should show ...
>     >
>     >  9:20-9:55   headline1
>     >  10:15-10:44 headline2
>     >
>
> You do get this if you create a task like so:
>
> ******* TODO 1pm-14:30 another test task for Jose
>                SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed>
>                CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:30]
> ******* TODO test task for Jose 12:30-8:00pm
>                SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed>
>                CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:15]
>
> And the agenda (with time grid turned on) looks like this:
>
> Day-agenda (W15):
> Wednesday   9 April 2008
>                     8:00...... -------------------------
>                     9:00...... -------------------------
>                    10:00...... -------------------------
>                    11:00...... -------------------------
>                    12:00...... -------------------------
>   braindump:       12:30-20:00 Scheduled:  TODO test task for Jose
>                    13:00...... -------------------------
>                    14:00...... -------------------------
>   braindump:       13:00-14:30 Scheduled:  TODO another test task for Jose
>                    15:00...... -------------------------
>                    16:00...... -------------------------
>                    17:00...... -------------------------
>                    18:00...... -------------------------
>                    19:00...... -------------------------
>                    20:00...... -------------------------
>                    21:00...... -------------------------
>                    22:00...... ------------------------
>
>     >  (instead of the time-of-day). Is that possible?
>     >
>     >  Also, the manual says in page 67 of the pdf : "a time range may appear as
>     > plain text (like '12:45' or a "8:30-1pm").
>
> This is in section 10.4.2 / page marked #70 or page 77 as reported by
> PDF reader (at least in manual for Release 6.00pre-2).
>
>     > If I understood this correctly, I
>     > should be able to put...
>     >
>     >  *task1 8:30-1:00pm
>     >
>     >  in an org file and if I go to the agenda view, I should see
> this listed in
>     > today's agenda from 8:30 am to 1:00pm. However I don't seem to be able to
>     > see that happening. Did I get that wrong? I'm using verson 5.23a
> of or-mode
>     > in emacs 22.1
>     >
>
> I think you either have not added SCHEDULED (C-c C-s) or have not
> turned the time grid on (`G' in agenda view).
>
> HTH,
> -- Manish
>
>   

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Re: Agenda view for logging?

[Carsten Dominik]

On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Jose Robins wrote:

>
> Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to "schedule"  
> it as well. Now it works...

Well, how else should the agenda know on which date the entry should  
be shown...

- Carsten

>
>
> Thanks,
> Manish wrote:
>>
>>     On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Jose Robins wrote:
>>     >
>>     >  I'm slowly getting familiar with the agenda view. I see that  
>> the agenda
>>     > view shows the "time-of-day-specification" in the time column.
>> Is there any
>>     > way to show the time stamps based on the logbook entries? So  
>> e.g. If the
>>     > clock properties for a headline1 is from 9:20 am to 9:55 am,  
>> and headline2
>>     > has 10:15 to 10:44 am, then  the agenda view should show ...
>>     >
>>     >  9:20-9:55   headline1
>>     >  10:15-10:44 headline2
>>     >
>>
>> You do get this if you create a task like so:
>>
>> ******* TODO 1pm-14:30 another test task for Jose
>>                SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed>
>>                CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:30]
>> ******* TODO test task for Jose 12:30-8:00pm
>>                SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed>
>>                CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:15]
>>
>> And the agenda (with time grid turned on) looks like this:
>>
>> Day-agenda (W15):
>> Wednesday   9 April 2008
>>                     8:00...... -------------------------
>>                     9:00...... -------------------------
>>                    10:00...... -------------------------
>>                    11:00...... -------------------------
>>                    12:00...... -------------------------
>>   braindump:       12:30-20:00 Scheduled:  TODO test task for Jose
>>                    13:00...... -------------------------
>>                    14:00...... -------------------------
>>   braindump:       13:00-14:30 Scheduled:  TODO another test task  
>> for Jose
>>                    15:00...... -------------------------
>>                    16:00...... -------------------------
>>                    17:00...... -------------------------
>>                    18:00...... -------------------------
>>                    19:00...... -------------------------
>>                    20:00...... -------------------------
>>                    21:00...... -------------------------
>>                    22:00...... ------------------------
>>
>>     >  (instead of the time-of-day). Is that possible?
>>     >
>>     >  Also, the manual says in page 67 of the pdf : "a time range  
>> may appear as
>>     > plain text (like '12:45' or a "8:30-1pm").
>>
>> This is in section 10.4.2 / page marked #70 or page 77 as reported by
>> PDF reader (at least in manual for Release 6.00pre-2).
>>
>>     > If I understood this correctly, I
>>     > should be able to put...
>>     >
>>     >  *task1 8:30-1:00pm
>>     >
>>     >  in an org file and if I go to the agenda view, I should see
>> this listed in
>>     > today's agenda from 8:30 am to 1:00pm. However I don't seem  
>> to be able to
>>     > see that happening. Did I get that wrong? I'm using verson  
>> 5.23a
>> of or-mode
>>     > in emacs 22.1
>>     >
>>
>> I think you either have not added SCHEDULED (C-c C-s) or have not
>> turned the time grid on (`G' in agenda view).
>>
>> HTH,
>> -- Manish
>>
>>
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Re: Agenda view for logging?

[Jose Robins]

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Carsten Dominik wrote:
>
> On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Jose Robins wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to "schedule" 
>> it as well. Now it works...
>
> Well, how else should the agenda know on which date the entry should 
> be shown...
>
> - Carsten
>
My (apparently flawed) reasoning was that, the feature was meant to 
provide a quick and dirty way to show tasks meant for "today" in the 
agenda view and would show up on today's agenda regardless of whether it 
was scheduled or not.

Jose
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Manish wrote:
>>>
>>>     On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Jose Robins wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >  I'm slowly getting familiar with the agenda view. I see that 
>>> the agenda
>>>     > view shows the "time-of-day-specification" in the time column.
>>> Is there any
>>>     > way to show the time stamps based on the logbook entries? So 
>>> e.g. If the
>>>     > clock properties for a headline1 is from 9:20 am to 9:55 am, 
>>> and headline2
>>>     > has 10:15 to 10:44 am, then  the agenda view should show ...
>>>     >
>>>     >  9:20-9:55   headline1
>>>     >  10:15-10:44 headline2
>>>     >
>>>
>>> You do get this if you create a task like so:
>>>
>>> ******* TODO 1pm-14:30 another test task for Jose
>>>                SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed>
>>>                CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:30]
>>> ******* TODO test task for Jose 12:30-8:00pm
>>>                SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed>
>>>                CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:15]
>>>
>>> And the agenda (with time grid turned on) looks like this:
>>>
>>> Day-agenda (W15):
>>> Wednesday   9 April 2008
>>>                     8:00...... -------------------------
>>>                     9:00...... -------------------------
>>>                    10:00...... -------------------------
>>>                    11:00...... -------------------------
>>>                    12:00...... -------------------------
>>>   braindump:       12:30-20:00 Scheduled:  TODO test task for Jose
>>>                    13:00...... -------------------------
>>>                    14:00...... -------------------------
>>>   braindump:       13:00-14:30 Scheduled:  TODO another test task 
>>> for Jose
>>>                    15:00...... -------------------------
>>>                    16:00...... -------------------------
>>>                    17:00...... -------------------------
>>>                    18:00...... -------------------------
>>>                    19:00...... -------------------------
>>>                    20:00...... -------------------------
>>>                    21:00...... -------------------------
>>>                    22:00...... ------------------------
>>>
>>>     >  (instead of the time-of-day). Is that possible?
>>>     >
>>>     >  Also, the manual says in page 67 of the pdf : "a time range 
>>> may appear as
>>>     > plain text (like '12:45' or a "8:30-1pm").
>>>
>>> This is in section 10.4.2 / page marked #70 or page 77 as reported by
>>> PDF reader (at least in manual for Release 6.00pre-2).
>>>
>>>     > If I understood this correctly, I
>>>     > should be able to put...
>>>     >
>>>     >  *task1 8:30-1:00pm
>>>     >
>>>     >  in an org file and if I go to the agenda view, I should see
>>> this listed in
>>>     > today's agenda from 8:30 am to 1:00pm. However I don't seem to 
>>> be able to
>>>     > see that happening. Did I get that wrong? I'm using verson 5.23a
>>> of or-mode
>>>     > in emacs 22.1
>>>     >
>>>
>>> I think you either have not added SCHEDULED (C-c C-s) or have not
>>> turned the time grid on (`G' in agenda view).
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>> -- Manish
>>>
>>>
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Re: Agenda view for logging?

[Manish]

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Jose Robins wrote:
>  Carsten Dominik wrote:
>
>  On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Jose Robins wrote:
>
>  Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to "schedule" it as
> well. Now it works...
>
>  Well, how else should the agenda know on which date the entry should be
> shown...
>
>  - Carsten
>
>  My (apparently flawed) reasoning was that, the feature was meant to provide
> a quick and dirty way to show tasks meant for "today" in the agenda view and
> would show up on today's agenda regardless of whether it was scheduled or
> not.
>

That sounds quite reasonable and should be default, I guess.  I would
like to request this if others also see it that way.

-- Manish

Re: Agenda view for logging?

[Carsten Dominik]

Hi Jose, Manish

I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry
that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda.

A fast way to add agenda item for the day is to use the Emacs
diary. In the agenda buffer, you can press "i d" to add a quick entry
to the diary, for the day at point.  Then make sure that the agenda
does read the diary as well, with

(setq org-agenda-include-diary t)

You could even write a quick function that just prompts for the entry  
and inserts it
into the diary, so the diary buffer would never have to pop up.

- Carsten

On Apr 10, 2008, at 6:30 AM, Manish wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Jose Robins wrote:
>> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Jose Robins wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to  
>> "schedule" it as
>> well. Now it works...
>>
>> Well, how else should the agenda know on which date the entry  
>> should be
>> shown...
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>> My (apparently flawed) reasoning was that, the feature was meant to  
>> provide
>> a quick and dirty way to show tasks meant for "today" in the agenda  
>> view and
>> would show up on today's agenda regardless of whether it was  
>> scheduled or
>> not.
>>
>
> That sounds quite reasonable and should be default, I guess.  I would
> like to request this if others also see it that way.
>
> -- Manish

Re: Agenda view for logging?

[Joel J. Adamson]

Jose Robins <wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com> writes:

> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>
>     On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Jose Robins wrote:
>
>         Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to "schedule"
>         it as well. Now it works...
>
>     Well, how else should the agenda know on which date the entry should be
>     shown...
>    
>     - Carsten
>
> My (apparently flawed) reasoning was that, the feature was meant to provide a
> quick and dirty way to show tasks meant for "today" in the agenda view and
> would show up on today's agenda regardless of whether it was scheduled or not.

Everything I give a time-stamp to shows up in the agenda time grid.  Are
you seeing something different?  I don't have to schedule or deadline
anything.

Joel

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Re: Agenda view for logging?

[Joel J. Adamson]

Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:

> Hi Jose, Manish
>
> I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry
> that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda.

I think I missed part of this conversation.  If I put

** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 >

in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda
time-grid.  Is this not the intended behavior?

Joel

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Re: Agenda view for logging?

[Jose Robins]

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Joel J. Adamson wrote:
> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
>
>   
>> Hi Jose, Manish
>>
>> I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry
>> that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda.
>>     
>
> I think I missed part of this conversation.  If I put
>
> ** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 >
>
> in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda
> time-grid.  Is this not the intended behavior?
>
> Joel
>
>   
Yes, that is intended behavior and it works fine. The question was 
whether a time range without a time-stamp would work as well. something 
like...

** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog
- would put this task in "today's" agenda view.

I see Carsten's  point about not wanting to recognize any arbitrary text 
string which looks like a time to be considered a 
"time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string which 
looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for today which 
appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. The beauty is that 
(a) you avoid having to type in extra keystrokes to schedule it, (b) no 
need to clutter with an additional date and (c) if it doesn't get done 
or something, when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up there as 
well and it doesn't get lost.

Of course, I may be asking for things that may have other negative 
implications, since after all, I'm still a rookie with org mode (still 
wet behind the ears) and maybe there are better approaches to this.  :-)



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Re: Agenda view for logging?

[Richard G Riley]

Hello, , Joel J. Adamson! 

Jose Robins <wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com> writes:

> Joel J. Adamson wrote:
>> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
>>
>>   
>>> Hi Jose, Manish
>>>
>>> I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry
>>> that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda.
>>>     
>>
>> I think I missed part of this conversation.  If I put
>>
>> ** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 >
>>
>> in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda
>> time-grid.  Is this not the intended behavior?
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>   
> Yes, that is intended behavior and it works fine. The question was
> whether a time range without a time-stamp would work as
> well. something like...
>
> ** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog
> - would put this task in "today's" agenda view.
>
> I see Carsten's  point about not wanting to recognize any arbitrary
> text string which looks like a time to be considered a
> "time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string
> which looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for today
> which appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. The beauty is
> that (a) you avoid having to type in extra keystrokes to schedule it,
> (b) no need to clutter with an additional date and (c) if it doesn't
> get done or something, when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up
> there as well and it doesn't get lost.

Better would be a duration rather than an end date/time.

Re: Agenda view for logging?

[bva]

Hi Jose,

I'm also still very much a rookie, in GTD and in org-mode. But I'd  
argue against added one more way to add something to the agenda time  
grid.  Things show up in the time grid if
1) you use C-c C-s (adds SCHEDULED: property to headline)
2) you use C-c C-d (adds DEADLINE: property to headline)
3) you use C-u C-c . (inserts timestamp at point; headline will show  
up in agenda)

As a novice, I've come to the belief that these multiple ways of  
'scheduling' (I mean only that a line of text is added to the agenda)  
have grown organically from org-mode's past, by not dropping an older,  
simpler way, but adding a new mechanism for a specific type of time- 
management problem. Each one has its own small differences in how it  
interacts with other features of org-mode to support the specific  
issue it addresses (deadlines show up in red, e.g.)

I offer the following thoughts quite humbly, knowing that I'm likely  
among the least effective time-manager and org-mode user on this list.


In response to your concerns
a) no need to type extra characters
response: perhaps you could try the commands listed above. You only  
need to type the time-range, and org-mode fills in the rest

b) no need to clutter up with the date
response: SCHEDULED and DEADLINE properties can be folded under the  
headline (in fact, they can be put into the PROPERTY drawer, if you'd  
really like to hide them. And there's no extra date verbage in the  
time grid (and I think there is a customization for removing the word  
'Scheduled' if you don't like it, but I haven't decided to dislike it  
*that* much.  It's the default and I trust it's there for a good reason)

c) if I miss it today, it'll show up tomorrow
response: So if you've missed washing the dog today at 9:56, why  
should that task be automatically rescheduled for tomorrow *at the  
exact same time*.  If missing the appointed time and date doesn't  
prevent you from doing that task, then perhaps you could make it a  
TODO item that shows up on the global todo list instead.  If you  
actually did the task, but didn't get around to changing your  
headline, then it's there for you to deal with inappropriately.

Oh, and if you have a normal date+timestamp, then you find the  
headline and hit S-<right> to move the day forward by one, so the  
manual rescheduling isn't hard either.  So if you glance at  
yesterday's agenda, and see something in the wrong place, it's easy to  
move forward.  This works in the agenda, in the org-mode buffer, and  
you only need to get point somewhere inside or next to the timestamp  
(I use C-u C-u <arrow> alot, which isn't very precise, so I appreciate  
that I don't have to get the point to a specific character)

I hope you like key-board shortcuts (or you're going to go crazy with  
emacs, much less org-mode!)

Respectfully yours,

Ben

On 2008-04-10 Thu, at 16:35, emacs-orgmode-request@gnu.org wrote:
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:09:21 -0700
> From: Jose Robins <wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Agenda view for logging?
> To: "Joel J. Adamson" <jadamson@partners.org>
> Cc: org-mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
> Message-ID: <47FE2DA1.3060109@yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
> Joel J. Adamson wrote:
>> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Jose, Manish
>>>
>>> I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry
>>> that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda.
>>>
>>
>> I think I missed part of this conversation.  If I put
>>
>> ** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 >
>>
>> in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda
>> time-grid.  Is this not the intended behavior?
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
> Yes, that is intended behavior and it works fine. The question was
> whether a time range without a time-stamp would work as well.  
> something
> like...
>
> ** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog
> - would put this task in "today's" agenda view.
>
> I see Carsten's  point about not wanting to recognize any arbitrary  
> text
> string which looks like a time to be considered a
> "time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string  
> which
> looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for today which
> appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. The beauty is that
> (a) you avoid having to type in extra keystrokes to schedule it, (b)  
> no
> need to clutter with an additional date and (c) if it doesn't get done
> or something, when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up there as
> well and it doesn't get lost.
>
> Of course, I may be asking for things that may have other negative
> implications, since after all, I'm still a rookie with org mode (still
> wet behind the ears) and maybe there are better approaches to  
> this.  :-)
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Re: Agenda view for logging?

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Hello, are you just being friendly or do we know each other IRL?

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Re: Agenda view for logging?

[Jose Robins]

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Hi Ben,
Thanks for your detailed response. Your arguments make perfect sense. 
Let me try to get into the habit of "scheduling" and putting 
"deadlines". It's all a question of learning new habits and sticking to it.

Regards,
Jose

bva@alexanderonline.org wrote:
> Hi Jose,
>
> I'm also still very much a rookie, in GTD and in org-mode. But I'd 
> argue against added one more way to add something to the agenda time 
> grid.  Things show up in the time grid if
> 1) you use C-c C-s (adds SCHEDULED: property to headline)
> 2) you use C-c C-d (adds DEADLINE: property to headline)
> 3) you use C-u C-c . (inserts timestamp at point; headline will show 
> up in agenda)
>
> As a novice, I've come to the belief that these multiple ways of 
> 'scheduling' (I mean only that a line of text is added to the agenda) 
> have grown organically from org-mode's past, by not dropping an older, 
> simpler way, but adding a new mechanism for a specific type of 
> time-management problem. Each one has its own small differences in how 
> it interacts with other features of org-mode to support the specific 
> issue it addresses (deadlines show up in red, e.g.)
>
> I offer the following thoughts quite humbly, knowing that I'm likely 
> among the least effective time-manager and org-mode user on this list.
>
>
> In response to your concerns
> a) no need to type extra characters
> response: perhaps you could try the commands listed above. You only 
> need to type the time-range, and org-mode fills in the rest
>
> b) no need to clutter up with the date
> response: SCHEDULED and DEADLINE properties can be folded under the 
> headline (in fact, they can be put into the PROPERTY drawer, if you'd 
> really like to hide them. And there's no extra date verbage in the 
> time grid (and I think there is a customization for removing the word 
> 'Scheduled' if you don't like it, but I haven't decided to dislike it 
> *that* much.  It's the default and I trust it's there for a good reason)
>
> c) if I miss it today, it'll show up tomorrow
> response: So if you've missed washing the dog today at 9:56, why 
> should that task be automatically rescheduled for tomorrow *at the 
> exact same time*.  If missing the appointed time and date doesn't 
> prevent you from doing that task, then perhaps you could make it a 
> TODO item that shows up on the global todo list instead.  If you 
> actually did the task, but didn't get around to changing your 
> headline, then it's there for you to deal with inappropriately.
>
> Oh, and if you have a normal date+timestamp, then you find the 
> headline and hit S-<right> to move the day forward by one, so the 
> manual rescheduling isn't hard either.  So if you glance at 
> yesterday's agenda, and see something in the wrong place, it's easy to 
> move forward.  This works in the agenda, in the org-mode buffer, and 
> you only need to get point somewhere inside or next to the timestamp 
> (I use C-u C-u <arrow> alot, which isn't very precise, so I appreciate 
> that I don't have to get the point to a specific character)
>
> I hope you like key-board shortcuts (or you're going to go crazy with 
> emacs, much less org-mode!)
>
> Respectfully yours,
>
> Ben
>
> On 2008-04-10 Thu, at 16:35, emacs-orgmode-request@gnu.org wrote:
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:09:21 -0700
>> From: Jose Robins <wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Agenda view for logging?
>> To: "Joel J. Adamson" <jadamson@partners.org>
>> Cc: org-mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
>> Message-ID: <47FE2DA1.3060109@yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>
>>
>> Joel J. Adamson wrote:
>>> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Jose, Manish
>>>>
>>>> I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry
>>>> that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think I missed part of this conversation.  If I put
>>>
>>> ** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 >
>>>
>>> in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda
>>> time-grid.  Is this not the intended behavior?
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, that is intended behavior and it works fine. The question was
>> whether a time range without a time-stamp would work as well. something
>> like...
>>
>> ** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog
>> - would put this task in "today's" agenda view.
>>
>> I see Carsten's  point about not wanting to recognize any arbitrary text
>> string which looks like a time to be considered a
>> "time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string which
>> looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for today which
>> appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. The beauty is that
>> (a) you avoid having to type in extra keystrokes to schedule it, (b) no
>> need to clutter with an additional date and (c) if it doesn't get done
>> or something, when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up there as
>> well and it doesn't get lost.
>>
>> Of course, I may be asking for things that may have other negative
>> implications, since after all, I'm still a rookie with org mode (still
>> wet behind the ears) and maybe there are better approaches to this.  :-)
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Re: Agenda view for logging?

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On Apr 11, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Jose Robins wrote:

> Hi Ben,
> Thanks for your detailed response. Your arguments make perfect  
> sense. Let me try to get into the habit of "scheduling" and putting  
> "deadlines". It's all a question of learning new habits and sticking  
> to it.

Actually, for simple agenda items, you don't need to schedule or put a  
deadline at all.  But you must, in addition to a time, also put a date.

Any of these will do:

* Staff meeting <2008-04-12 Sat 10:00-12:30>

* Staff meeting
   <2008-04-12 Sat 10:00-12:30>


* Staff meeting 10:00-12:30 <2008-04-12 Sat>

* Staff meeting 10:00-12:30
   <2008-04-12 Sat>


>
>
> Regards,
> Jose
>
> bva@alexanderonline.org wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jose,
>>
>> I'm also still very much a rookie, in GTD and in org-mode. But I'd  
>> argue against added one more way to add something to the agenda  
>> time grid.  Things show up in the time grid if
>> 1) you use C-c C-s (adds SCHEDULED: property to headline)
>> 2) you use C-c C-d (adds DEADLINE: property to headline)
>> 3) you use C-u C-c . (inserts timestamp at point; headline will  
>> show up in agenda)
>>
>> As a novice, I've come to the belief that these multiple ways of  
>> 'scheduling' (I mean only that a line of text is added to the  
>> agenda) have grown organically from org-mode's past, by not  
>> dropping an older, simpler way, but adding a new mechanism for a  
>> specific type of time-management problem. Each one has its own  
>> small differences in how it interacts with other features of org- 
>> mode to support the specific issue it addresses (deadlines show up  
>> in red, e.g.)
>>
>> I offer the following thoughts quite humbly, knowing that I'm  
>> likely among the least effective time-manager and org-mode user on  
>> this list.
>>
>>
>> In response to your concerns
>> a) no need to type extra characters
>> response: perhaps you could try the commands listed above. You only  
>> need to type the time-range, and org-mode fills in the rest
>>
>> b) no need to clutter up with the date
>> response: SCHEDULED and DEADLINE properties can be folded under the  
>> headline (in fact, they can be put into the PROPERTY drawer, if  
>> you'd really like to hide them. And there's no extra date verbage  
>> in the time grid (and I think there is a customization for removing  
>> the word 'Scheduled' if you don't like it, but I haven't decided to  
>> dislike it *that* much.  It's the default and I trust it's there  
>> for a good reason)
>>
>> c) if I miss it today, it'll show up tomorrow
>> response: So if you've missed washing the dog today at 9:56, why  
>> should that task be automatically rescheduled for tomorrow *at the  
>> exact same time*.  If missing the appointed time and date doesn't  
>> prevent you from doing that task, then perhaps you could make it a  
>> TODO item that shows up on the global todo list instead.  If you  
>> actually did the task, but didn't get around to changing your  
>> headline, then it's there for you to deal with inappropriately.
>>
>> Oh, and if you have a normal date+timestamp, then you find the  
>> headline and hit S-<right> to move the day forward by one, so the  
>> manual rescheduling isn't hard either.  So if you glance at  
>> yesterday's agenda, and see something in the wrong place, it's easy  
>> to move forward.  This works in the agenda, in the org-mode buffer,  
>> and you only need to get point somewhere inside or next to the  
>> timestamp (I use C-u C-u <arrow> alot, which isn't very precise, so  
>> I appreciate that I don't have to get the point to a specific  
>> character)
>>
>> I hope you like key-board shortcuts (or you're going to go crazy  
>> with emacs, much less org-mode!)
>>
>> Respectfully yours,
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On 2008-04-10 Thu, at 16:35, emacs-orgmode-request@gnu.org wrote:
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:09:21 -0700
>>> From: Jose Robins <wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Agenda view for logging?
>>> To: "Joel J. Adamson" <jadamson@partners.org>
>>> Cc: org-mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
>>> Message-ID: <47FE2DA1.3060109@yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joel J. Adamson wrote:
>>>> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jose, Manish
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry
>>>>> that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the  
>>>>> agenda.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think I missed part of this conversation.  If I put
>>>>
>>>> ** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 >
>>>>
>>>> in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda
>>>> time-grid.  Is this not the intended behavior?
>>>>
>>>> Joel
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, that is intended behavior and it works fine. The question was
>>> whether a time range without a time-stamp would work as well.  
>>> something
>>> like...
>>>
>>> ** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog
>>> - would put this task in "today's" agenda view.
>>>
>>> I see Carsten's  point about not wanting to recognize any  
>>> arbitrary text
>>> string which looks like a time to be considered a
>>> "time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string  
>>> which
>>> looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for today  
>>> which
>>> appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. The beauty is  
>>> that
>>> (a) you avoid having to type in extra keystrokes to schedule it,  
>>> (b) no
>>> need to clutter with an additional date and (c) if it doesn't get  
>>> done
>>> or something, when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up  
>>> there as
>>> well and it doesn't get lost.
>>>
>>> Of course, I may be asking for things that may have other negative
>>> implications, since after all, I'm still a rookie with org mode  
>>> (still
>>> wet behind the ears) and maybe there are better approaches to  
>>> this.  :-)
>>>
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