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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:317501 Archived-At: On Wed, 2024-04-03 at 21:22 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov > > Cc: rms@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com, dmitry@gutov.dev, > > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 20:27:09 +0300 > >=20 > > I hope now you understand why I'm saying Emacs doesn't fully > > support it =F0=9F=98=8A >=20 > I still think you are mistaken.=C2=A0 What you call "out of tree build" i= s > not what is generally meant by that. Okay, what do you consider meant by that? > Bootstrapping a repository > invariably causes some "build artifacts" to be deposed in the source > tree Sure, that's unfortunately how autotools work. On the upside though, it is rare for these files to cause problems. Which can't be said about .elc ones. > , and the more the project makes a point of not having generated > files in the repository, the more artifacts are needed in the source > tree before you can start building out of tree.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Citation needed =F0=9F=98=84 You asked me previously for examples of proje= cts that do not generate any files in the tree, I provided you with that =F0=9F= =98=8A I can certainly assure you that you don't necessarily have to generate files "in tree". I worked with many different projects and distinct build systems, so I have a lot of experience in that regard. Do you have in mind some specific case that you see a problem with? > And that is > perfectly okay, nothing wrong about that. There are problems with generating code in tree, some of which I did show to you previously. Unless I misunderstand what you mean by that.