From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "=?UTF-8?Q?Shawn_Boyette_=E2=98=A0?=" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: What about "The Modernization of Emacs"? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:33:29 -0500 Message-ID: <99539e0a0712210833w34ec203cw1932f21f2ab0a6d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <811554110712200713m35204f96x136ebcc393984682@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1198254838 4473 80.91.229.12 (21 Dec 2007 16:33:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Sean Ochoa" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 21 17:34:09 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J5koy-0007zQ-IA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:34:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J5koe-0004re-O7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:33:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J5koY-0004pv-H2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:33:34 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J5koW-0004mc-I9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:33:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J5koW-0004mN-CV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:33:32 -0500 Original-Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com ([64.233.178.246] helo=hs-out-2122.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J5koW-00036V-Ep for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:33:32 -0500 Original-Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 55so318234hsc.10 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:33:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=C16N+sWz4EpWLUTdWp3Y83e2ETMBBunJqOpaVs6EuDk=; b=W7l/BB9vLPJ2KEEU2deoK3bJJe3gjqEoHKz2URPL/eBsrqBqMSql/QKdbFhp/9bA3lfT2EFWA7WuTF5hqgam3+ZifoyFEiQuEOO5X9TFPHrPle1wu1mJsch1KgDl83cD/iohb+R4nQS18H9Am1rDaShNca0jCWD019DZhz/yMPI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AE3pXuvncI/mJF3RrVVriHsk6GKABa90MB9aN+42NtPpqWVRc2gWx4mWGWiUf0ozdqfG8uHGrp71bvQRL3xcA9vzr4yZMJ7PqXmfcPq41OVqR1p6fSZ4Angk9o9/gW3LD/YwkTv+rtnHQDzsxToal6LVIbrtY6NofzCucF/mRz8= Original-Received: by 10.143.160.1 with SMTP id m1mr733492wfo.90.1198254809347; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:33:29 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.142.88.4 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:33:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <811554110712200713m35204f96x136ebcc393984682@mail.gmail.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:17214 Archived-At: I'm not a maintainer, but I'll tell you what I have to say anyway :) I think that the article is fundamentally misguided, presuming that a monoculture is a good thing, and further presuming that having to learn how to use a tool is a *bad* thing. I could expand upon both these points at length, but I'll leave that as an exercise for the thoughtful reader :) On Dec 20, 2007 10:13 AM, Sean Ochoa wrote: > What do the maintainers have to say about this article, "The Modernization > of Emacs" (http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization.html)? I find myself in the > very same boat as he's describing. Its a good thing that I have geeky > friends who already use emacs to show me the ropes. > > - Sean Ochoa > -- Shawn Boyette