From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16196: 24.3.50; Disable ding when scrolling Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 10:17:42 +0200 Message-ID: <993d78c4-f434-f334-8dfe-3c5ca3a07874@gmx.at> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="131034"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: "16196@debbugs.gnu.org" <16196@debbugs.gnu.org>, Stefan Monnier To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 11 10:19:10 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hwj4I-000Xvs-P7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1565511465; bh=2mLMKHO+jd3cNxrMbED+F78FNSbK8JYaIiRKhzlsxag=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=QdDtlEZF7J8USdxKFwHznqbdrVWvq3WlTa7V/2fyL/oWn6X4MLFPRB6ESARvkngMQ c4VzSgXVRH8gdNnMikyXE7ZCN0n07KaKPzi7B0pKVz6xKMyM9lf1JcgpAzDk3bunZq fCpJutYCNUd9rMAwaL1E8pQnJAAvunxamw+JCsK0= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([213.142.96.129]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MPHrQ-1i18tl2EzY-004WTw; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 10:17:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: de-DE X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:k90RUDtw5fy6s4BpIWYsOAm0VL36AwZqtFsGo+2ezCcQo8Q3phO 1hm0UArne/bZW/KaOp3m9nQDxcv2Ut+CGAVMwScTLf3xpJJM480Z9CLYoZ++Qy0iQ+ahpWF tHgEll0BU4QWpJtfxCqe/iGm/B/v38yE9GIsPwhQEPXXBWYDjxc7GeFzcns4mo6BJvLNkyz sxSQTVpyoQPmOPnf43oFg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ke216Hf4+K0=:oXxlWuoDDXnACH1Q5NAEjY fGQcVbFmG3K7kJqdHEGojLTv28vFsE/UOFka/94f5A75IGSip4G8k0eaF8uB/uy0lnL4lXku6 64E2xcX1lv9fkat3fTDsAqix0+H11O/WWVZuU/hZ+SoaZ5ANpPzjkMzgZ3trco/YugwCaltRF RAj+j2oliReruhG+bY2UJ5cY3QebAFmJvj7bM7b5sNbn/1TdlsvUOEu2qWvb4DCumhYFS+z0u EAuqifALl2BUmFNhFTcL3z17hDKE2mhDDIw+T3gL2xIxL0nmofCAIqSmmuFQzKQ9k7ZJHVZnk aNH0jHbSrCKb74I7Af8QX9W/VMX7CgwOmCEw/hT1FxE+ono6Jhj1rv4ACcRzorXSsYXS3VjhR ZRf0VWwIcTziVk6gdAKio3MmMlgskt9/Nf7eDkGuFSbF1L4Xc++di6lTaKE1k4BHVOJhkYl0I WoPzk6otuVGwBP48a0GrkZnnx2tmPo+MTa8yXINBW48He6Ew/AWgoTg4e33N59hn+djOX5oVt ArD2Ta9worlBF2ZbQKVKFJVXyAgLq3czrzklOL3IJIKWLRjq8Pc61B1eYpHc72osC75FNzSIZ vhnefwteF/GwdFB6bTpU5ektnrBhqH7cMAkMDd82v1RC4+uBEgCxKJepEci+JSRDI+f5WFLZW 7RIJPoBuW4hmrfkoPnJr4rJkbzouOmsT4I5cciBXd8fRzgNJX0M0q5imwamQSN3W5l+rD+Faq TWnNS5WjxtSlotESopSoE+5nVZRWJje7v1/5o6CsA0+U1hz7DwxupSrbcVsUFe+axvQmu0Oc X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:164874 Archived-At: >> > To make it easier to review, I've also included a git diff >> > ignoring whitespace changes. >> >> This one doesn't apply here. > > Sorry, I should've been more clear. This is the same as the patch but= > without the whitespace changes. Please try applying the patch > instead. Thanks. I obviously did that (otherwise I would have complained about the patch in the first place) ;-) >> AFAIAC it's an improvement. But personally, I'd drop the message as >> well. Does anyone really need it? > > I'm personally prone to agree with you, but the reasoning in the previ= ous > discussion in this thread seems to be that we do want it. Or at least= > something similar. > > Stefan Monnier writes: > >> the general design of Emacs is that >> we strive to make every command perform *something*, so when the user= 's >> request ends up doing nothing, we signal an error to make it clear th= at >> Emacs did obey the request. Otherwise the lack of feedback can make = the >> user feel like Emacs is unresponsive. > > And later: > >> I'd rather keep some kind of feedback. Maybe a `message'? > > Personally, I think the scrolling itself is enough feedback. It > either scrolls or it doesn't. That's what happens in many other > programs, for example in Firefox. And scroll-bar-mode is enabled by > default. > > But I think my opinion on this carries less weight than Stefan > Monnier's. :-) My current *Messages* buffer is listed below. I never look at it because it just doesn't make sense. Thanks anyway for your efforts to remove the beeps, martin Loading paren...done Mark set [4 times] next-line: End of buffer [5 times] Mark set next-line: End of buffer Mark set [5 times] nil Mark set user-error: Beginning of history; no preceding item user-error: End of history; no default available [2 times] Quit [2 times] C-M-: is undefined nil Mark set [2 times] previous-line: Beginning of buffer [2 times] Mark set next-line: End of buffer [2 times] Auto-saving...done previous-line: Beginning of buffer [2 times] Mark set previous-line: Beginning of buffer [5 times] Mark set nil previous-line: Beginning of buffer [5 times] Mark set next-line: End of buffer No undo information Mark set next-line: End of buffer [4 times] Mark set [3 times] next-line: End of buffer [5 times] Mark set next-line: End of buffer Mark set [4 times] Auto-saving...done Mark set [6 times] Creating customization items... Creating customization items ...done Creating customization setup...done Mark set Undo user-error: No further undo information [15 times] Mark set [4 times] next-line: End of buffer [3 times] Mark set next-line: End of buffer Mark set next-line: End of buffer Mark set [3 times] next-line: End of buffer if: End of buffer [7 times] Mark set [11 times] next-line: End of buffer [4 times] Undo [4 times] Mark set [9 times] next-line: End of buffer [4 times] Mark set [9 times] next-line: End of buffer [3 times] Scanning for dabbrevs...done Expansion found in =E2=80=98 *sidebar*=E2=80=99 Mark set [4 times]