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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 10:11:45 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <991d9b3f-e2f4-4977-9e78-99d39b04ede5@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvbnhryu26.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.help@gnu.org>

> > Waste of the student's time, if you ask me.
> 
> You (and the current tutorial) assume that the reader of the
> tutorial has decided he's going to use Emacs and wants to figure
> out how to use it efficiently.

Of course.  (Though not necessarily efficiently - just want to learn
to use it.)

> That's good for that use case.  But there are other use cases, such
> as someone who's intrigued and wants to "check it out".  In that case,
> the tutorial should mostly try and showcase what you can do with Emacs.

No, those are not use cases for a *tutorial*.  Those are use cases for
a demo or a user guide or an introduction/overview.

A tutorial is about learning by *doing*.  In a way, it is an
introductory lab exercise.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-05-11 17:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-08 10:06 Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-08 10:36 ` Shakthi Kannan
2015-05-08 10:43   ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-08 11:08     ` tomas
2015-05-08 11:18     ` Shakthi Kannan
2015-05-08 19:10     ` Bob Proulx
2015-05-08 19:35       ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-10  2:48         ` Bob Proulx
     [not found]         ` <mailman.2686.1431226098.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-10  3:22           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-10 14:01           ` Rusi
2015-05-10 14:05             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-11 11:17               ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]               ` <mailman.2758.1431343034.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-11 11:27                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-10 15:31             ` Drew Adams
2015-05-11 11:08             ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-15 16:15             ` MBR
2015-05-15 18:45               ` Doug Lewan
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3085.1431715560.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-15 20:18                 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-16  4:31                   ` Yuri Khan
2015-05-18 20:57                     ` Bob Proulx
2015-06-25 14:22                   ` Ken Goldman
2015-06-26 15:03                     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-26 20:21                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-26 22:42                         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-27 19:29                           ` MBR
2015-06-27 22:48                             ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.5813.1435445379.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-28  3:45                               ` Rusi
2015-06-28 14:34                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-28 15:31                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-28 15:36                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-28 15:53                                       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.5747.1435358641.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-27  3:15                           ` Rusi
2015-06-27  5:02                             ` Bob Proulx
2015-06-27  8:25                               ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-27 11:56                                 ` Robert Thorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.5780.1435406221.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-27 14:44                                   ` Rusi
2015-06-27 17:46                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-27 17:42                             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-29 13:03                               ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-06-29 23:51                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-30  4:38                                   ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-06-30 23:26                                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.6072.1435707010.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-07-01  0:32                                       ` Dan Espen
2015-06-30  8:10                                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-30 23:40                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-30 16:56                                   ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-07-01  0:00                                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.5799.1435427076.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-27 18:12                               ` Rusi
2015-06-27 21:55                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-27 22:25                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-30 10:56                                   ` keyboard-macro facility recording commands (Was: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals) Steinar Bang
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.5809.1435442174.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-27 22:06                                   ` Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-27 22:40                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-28 14:55                                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-28 15:47                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-25 14:16               ` Ken Goldman
     [not found]             ` <mailman.3077.1431706537.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-15 20:15               ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-08 10:53 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-05-08 13:39   ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-08 14:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-08 14:38     ` Tassilo Horn
2015-05-08 15:09       ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-08 15:41         ` Tassilo Horn
2015-05-08 21:54           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-09 10:00           ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-10 14:31         ` Steinar Bang
     [not found]     ` <mailman.2604.1431095644.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-08 14:50       ` Barry Margolin
2015-05-08 15:01         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-08 22:06           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-09  9:06             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-09  9:18             ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-09 10:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-10  6:47                 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-10 15:01                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11  5:30                     ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-11 16:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-16  5:50                         ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-16  7:32                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-17 15:35                             ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-17 14:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-18  2:49                                 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-18 14:15                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-19  5:50                                     ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-19 15:07                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-19 16:41                                       ` Filipp Gunbin
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.3246.1432014638.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-19 23:58                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-10  2:45             ` Bob Proulx
2015-05-11 10:53           ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-11 15:58             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 16:12               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 16:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 16:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 18:01                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 20:38                     ` Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.2820.1431376739.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-12  3:22                       ` Rusi
     [not found]                   ` <<83y4kvkrf5.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-05-11 17:12                     ` Drew Adams
2015-05-11 17:11                 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2015-05-11 18:06                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 18:38                     ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.2806.1431367811.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-12  4:07                     ` Rusi
2015-05-12  8:15                       ` Rasmus
2015-05-12 16:11                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.2872.1431447128.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-12 16:55                         ` Rusi
2015-05-12 17:45                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-13  7:47                             ` tomas
2015-05-13 12:10                               ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-05-13 12:32                                 ` tomas
2015-05-13 15:24                                   ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-05-13 16:37                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.2958.1431535075.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-15  2:56                                 ` Rusi
2015-05-15  7:31                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.3052.1431675095.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-15 11:12                                     ` Rusi
2015-05-15 13:09                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-15 13:44                                         ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                                         ` <mailman.3067.1431697490.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-15 14:01                                           ` Rusi
2015-05-15 14:36                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.2887.1431452758.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-13  1:09                             ` Rusi
2015-05-13  2:20                               ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.2797.1431364316.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-11 17:27                   ` Rusi
2015-05-20  0:21                 ` Robert Thorpe
2015-05-08 16:35     ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2015-05-09 10:14     ` Vaidheeswaran C
     [not found] ` <mailman.2592.1431081398.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-08 13:34   ` notbob
2015-05-08 15:50 ` Drew Adams
2015-05-09  9:49   ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-09 14:21     ` Jude DaShiell
2015-05-08 19:10 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-09  7:47   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-09  8:07     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-09  8:27       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-09 17:34         ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-11 11:02     ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-11 16:03       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 17:20         ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-11 18:04           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]     ` <<87k2wfl6mo.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk>
     [not found]       ` <<83617zm78t.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-05-11 17:11         ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <mailman.2591.1431080443.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-09 22:59 ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] <<mii1p5$ho1$1@ger.gmane.org>

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