From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Blink Cursor mode is off by default Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:02:09 +0300 Message-ID: <98930BC3-F62C-4BFF-8B06-8CFB65E8D243@gnu.org> References: <838t7lqnf0.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi01p6th.fsf@gnu.org> <13a2189b89d06be494cbc21561713d5d.squirrel@dancol.org> <83o9ggpwfs.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528776079 18075 195.159.176.226 (12 Jun 2018 04:01:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 04:01:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android Cc: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 12 06:01:15 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fSaUc-0004bm-Ru for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 06:01:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52599 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fSaWh-0003Go-Tb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 00:03:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59944) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fSaW4-0003El-TS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 00:02:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fSaW0-0001t8-10 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 00:02:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56913) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fSaVa-0001WC-TN; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 00:02:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.12.150.111] (port=51072 helo=[10.165.23.144]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fSaVa-00026c-7S; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 00:02:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226252 Archived-At: On June 12, 2018 5:33:32 AM GMT+03:00, Daniel Colascione wrote: > On 06/11/2018 07:31 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 16:19:42 -0700 > >> From: dancol@dancol=2Eorg > >> Cc: "Eli Zaretskii" , > >> emacs-devel@gnu=2Eorg > >> > >>>> Well, yes, but they aren't supposed to do that in that file, > right? > >> > >> What about temporarily setting a variable watcher on > blink-cursor-mode so > >> we can tell whether early init touched it? > >=20 > > I think it's too gross=2E >=20 > Why? We have a tool=2E Let's use it=2E I cannot explain it, but it sounds inelegant=2E I think we can use (get var 'standard-value) instead to detect variables that were modified in early-init, and refrain from reinitializing them the second time=2E > >>> Not sure: a valid choice now is to do all your customizations in > >>> early-init=2Eel and not use any =2Eemacs=2Ed/init=2Eel at all=2E > >> > >> That's what I do now=2E > >=20 > > I suggest you don't=2E This is not what early-init=2Eel is for=2E >=20 > Why not? Now I can have the entire configuration loaded before the > first=20 > frame is created=2E It looks clean=2E Clean, but unsafe, as important parts of startup has not yet been done=2E E=2Eg=2E, anything related to fonts or faces will probably not work reliably at that point=2E There's a reason why we read the user init file at some specific place and not before=2E