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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250840 Archived-At: On 18.05.2020 19:31, Robert Pluim wrote: > Dmitry> Error setting pop-up-mini-mode: (error ’pop-up-mini-mode’ needs a > Dmitry> minibuffer-only frame) > > Dmitry> (Whether I start from 'emacs -Q' or not.) > > And if you set emacs to use a minibuffer-only frame? > > emacs -Q --eval "(setq default-frame-alist '((minibuffer . nil)))" That setting is at the bottom of the file Martin attached. I finally understood what I was doing wrong: I tried to visit the file and 'M-x eval-buffer' from an existing graphical frame. That got me the error. If I load it from init.el, the result is fairly functional (though with a number of glitches), and it really does look like an improvement over the current situation. Even if the main benefit is simply locality: it displays the "minibuffer" at the bottom of the current window, not frame.