From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Perry E. Metzger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: not quite understanding input methods Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 09:17:00 -0400 Message-ID: <97f5bafa-df72-5f1a-2e84-5e20c8071681@piermont.com> References: <231adc63-77f0-037a-365c-28db98f684cf@piermont.com> <871r686abe.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87zgswy7q8.fsf@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39358"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:92.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/92.0 To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 01 15:19:47 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mLQ9a-000A6b-KK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 15:19:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34644 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mLQ9Z-0002U1-1v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 09:19:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47380) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mLQ6y-0000F5-9f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 09:17:04 -0400 Original-Received: from hacklheber.piermont.com ([2001:470:30:84:e276:63ff:fe62:3400]:42158) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mLQ6w-0000tN-Lh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 09:17:03 -0400 Original-Received: from snark.cb.piermont.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hacklheber.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1108F10D for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2021 09:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from [10.160.2.107] (jabberwock.cb.piermont.com [10.160.2.107]) by snark.cb.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32132DECBF for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2021 09:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <87zgswy7q8.fsf@fastmail.fm> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:470:30:84:e276:63ff:fe62:3400; envelope-from=perry@piermont.com; helo=hacklheber.piermont.com X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-1.029, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273655 Archived-At: On 9/1/21 05:14, Joost Kremers wrote: > On Wed, Sep 01 2021, Yuri Khan wrote: >> My point (which some will find offensive) is that maybe one doesn’t >> need to implement input methods in Emacs. >> >> If you have Compose in Emacs, it works in Emacs. If you have Compose >> in XKB, it works across your whole desktop. > Except that for some reason, XKB Compose doesn't work for me in Emacs... > > Plus, hitting is still one key press more than <" a>. Of course I > could use an X keyboard layout that has dead keys, but that has its own > problems. > > And, as tomas says, Emacs' input methods are more powerful and much easier to > adapt. > And again, I find myself on a Mac, where I don't have XKB, and don't have AltGr, and it's overall a lot easier to experiment with this stuff in Emacs. Emacs also gives me the ability to have the input method give me help, which the native Mac input methods I might try (painfully) modifying do not. One of the joys of open source is that people get to pick the mechanism for accomplishing something they find most congenial. Perry