From: Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: page-at-a-time output for M-x shell
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:07:34 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <97a8ff74-599a-49f2-914f-acc11547022a@n4g2000vba.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87vdlwloau.fsf@mundaneum.com
On 13 juil, 15:12, Sébastien Vauban <wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com>
wrote:
> Francis Moreau wrote:
> > On Jul 13, 11:51 am, Teemu Likonen <tliko...@iki.fi> wrote:
> >> On 2009-07-13 02:16 (-0700), Francis Moreau wrote:
> >>> On Jul 13, 10:21 am, Teemu Likonen <tliko...@iki.fi> wrote:
> >>>> OK, then it's probably me who fails to understand why do you keep talking
> >>>> about "M-x shell" when you need a terminal. This "page-at-a-time" feature
> >>>> comes with terminal emulation. There's no need to make "M-x shell" a real
> >>>> terminal because there already is one: "M-x term".
>
> > Damn, I repeat one more time: I don't want "| less" or less(1) work in "M-x
> > shell" (hope this is clear now)
>
> Just one (real) question: what's the advantage of `M-x shell'? I understand
> `M-x term' allows for full-blown terminal emulation, but can we use it every
> time we were going to use `M-x shell'?
This one has already been asked before just look at:
<76036640-c499-482c-81c0-9e0cb325e96a@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>
>
> Or are there some things `M-x term' can't do while `M-x shell' can?
>
Actually you can read this in the emacs info pages: "In line mode,
Term basically acts like Shell mode".
The problem here is the word 'basically' which probably means
'almost'. So they differ in the details.
In my case, I started to use 'M-x shell', and like it since I almost
never have to use applications that need a real term emulation. But if
you look at them (M-x term and M-x shell) carefully, then 'M-x term'
has some weird behaviours when using the shell mode key bindings; try
for instance: 'C-c C-e', 'C-c C-a', 'C-c C-o'... but as I said they're
details.
But the main problem I think, which is a different issue, is why the
hell Emacs has 2 functionalities that do 'basically' the same thing ?!
Why can't it offer one and only one package that give the best of the
2 worlds ?
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Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-07-11 13:14 page-at-a-time output for M-x shell Francis Moreau
2009-07-11 13:56 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-11 15:04 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-07-11 17:29 ` Sumit Narayan
[not found] ` <mailman.2292.1247324671.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-07-11 18:06 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-12 12:24 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-12 17:02 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-11 14:19 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.2288.1247322297.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-07-12 12:20 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-12 13:45 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.2349.1247406371.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-07-12 14:12 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-12 17:47 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-12 17:40 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-12 17:54 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-13 8:07 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-13 8:21 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-13 9:16 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-13 9:51 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-13 11:27 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-13 13:12 ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-07-13 14:48 ` Anselm Helbig
2009-07-13 15:07 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-14 15:07 ` Francis Moreau [this message]
2009-07-14 17:16 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-14 20:02 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-14 22:42 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-07-12 19:41 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-07-13 5:17 ` tomas
2009-07-13 8:10 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.2380.1247427719.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-07-13 8:03 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-13 9:04 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.2414.1247475890.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-07-13 9:38 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-13 10:43 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.2418.1247481796.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-07-13 11:29 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-13 20:42 ` Samuel Wales
[not found] ` <mailman.2451.1247517772.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-07-13 22:05 ` Teemu Likonen
[not found] ` <mailman.2453.1247522780.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-07-14 10:55 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-14 15:10 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-14 17:21 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-14 19:21 ` tomas
[not found] ` <mailman.2508.1247599009.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-07-14 19:52 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-14 20:39 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-14 20:00 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-14 3:12 ` Barry Margolin
2009-07-14 9:21 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-14 15:20 ` Francis Moreau
2009-07-14 17:39 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-14 21:05 ` Barry Margolin
2009-07-13 9:53 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-12 12:40 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-12 13:26 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-12 14:52 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2009-07-13 21:43 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
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