From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: app termination / ns resources Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:27:03 -0400 Message-ID: <97A16350-7C3B-45CA-8E59-5B4313AB53A2@gmail.com> References: <81BDC0A8-D72A-4CA7-8342-65057E77339D@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-769186334; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1236774454 11053 80.91.229.12 (11 Mar 2009 12:27:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: Adrian Robert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 11 13:28:50 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LhNY9-0002dJ-7b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:28:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51205 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LhNWn-0004Bm-8z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:27:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LhNWf-00049Z-B8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:27:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LhNWe-00049G-J1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:27:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35868 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LhNWe-00049C-Ec for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:27:08 -0400 Original-Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.149]:17741) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LhNWe-0006Ce-4n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:27:08 -0400 Original-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1398178qwk.24 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:27:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=8lY0RQJrOovx4poE0/BAFQalmTBJ8b3GYVs5L9J0mc4=; b=tFfcubsu5d+SxgI9HJOwOOvYBOVFlXvELS8R67vpqWwb1lFl4fIiPi0Va9q8/tTN3x 2gwLfqnlXv/+ioQ6cX1R6YkxRgZtx++XMZpDs9hJI1clBu/aUViN0EWMo/sjmkAd1xdA hWmVl0j69jjCC+3ujUDd9UU78CAfLsuuQidm8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=hnbPnahym4XhXxA/dJPfacflC1FWzfEQBQBwzFvVN9p1XmefBv+F5jq60uURCk52pV Cw0tZtbafEGClEC+iKdNtm+DkpjEBY58ZQQbsu7It2IvddBhDkhoqZWuidhg0LLlPVdu p4scjX2VPf00SaA5+VUkmFA5lsFtW6XVGEDkc= Original-Received: by 10.224.45.206 with SMTP id g14mr11034577qaf.65.1236774427668; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?192.168.1.42? (pool-72-65-195-138.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [72.65.195.138]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm7101249yxl.15.2009.03.11.05.27.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:27:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <81BDC0A8-D72A-4CA7-8342-65057E77339D@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:109557 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-4-769186334 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 11, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Adrian Robert wrote: > > One final dying thought about this ;) -- the way it was prefs-panel > <-> ns defaults <-> platform-specific settings was a neat way of > keeping the NS-specific stuff, be it line spacing or modifier keys, > out of .emacs, etc. so they would not interfere when moving a .emacs > across platforms. Yes, but the technical distinction of what is available across platforms is not a user-level category that merits aggregating these functions in a panel (vs. Emacs customization vs. Options menu vs. Lisp variables). In .emacs, users do (when (eq initial-window-system 'ns) ...). > As these get moved to .emacs, it is important to make sure settings > for these don't pollute it in a way so as to cause migration > problems. I don't know but it would be nice if there were some way > to use .emacs and core customization but have these settings > conditionalized on whether the variables exist, or whether the > windowing system is 'ns. In custom-file, it appears that something like (custom-set-variables '(foobar 11 t)) will set foobar even if it wasn't defined. This is the right thing. > Finally, the face color setting system will still need to be changed > to use the .emacs path. 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