From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9777edf8-a4b4-467f-9fd2-ee853877d389@default> References: < <55F83FDF.2070202@cs.ucla.edu>> <<831tdz8yf8.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442360966 19426 80.91.229.3 (15 Sep 2015 23:49:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21472@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 01:49:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyI-0007tq-Rw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:49:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46428 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyH-0003bI-Ro for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55852) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyD-0003a3-NQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyA-0000GO-GP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:41491) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyA-0000GJ-DX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyA-0007Gt-91 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21472-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21472.144236090827878 (code B ref 21472); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:49:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21472) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Sep 2015 23:48:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33694 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zbzxb-0007FZ-KH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:48:27 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:44019) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzxZ-0007FR-M5 for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:48:26 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t8FNmHcr016371 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:48:18 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8FNmHYv004237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:48:17 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8FNmHxK007189; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:48:17 GMT In-Reply-To: <<831tdz8yf8.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106614 Archived-At: > If this means that we should avoid quoting text just because > Drew doesn't like a certain type of quotes, then I object. I made it perfectly clear that this bug report has nothing to do with my preference or lack thereof for any particular kind of quoting. For example: This is *not* a general problem. It is not about the use of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ curly double-quotes in, for example, the copyright statement (e.g., "You have the freedom to copy and modify this GNU manual. Buying copies from the FSF supports it in developing GNU and promoting software freedom."). ... The point of this bug is that those *particular* terms do ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ not belong between curly double-quotes (IMHO). If they were ordinary text being quoted then they would be (should be) capitalized - "unix", "dos", etc. are written incorrectly for such a usage. This bug is not about other curly double-quoted text in the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ manual. It is specific to these terms. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and in another message: Quoted text might end up with curly quotes. The question is why these words should be quoted (using ordinary text quotes), ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and if they should (no reason given so far) then why they should be lowercase. Yet you continue with your Drew-bashing, based on your spurious claim. Why? Why is quoting appropriate for _this particular text_ at all? That's the first question posed, in effect, by the bug report. You could have answered Paul's removal of the quotes by giving a _reason why_ they are needed _here_, but you chose only to dump on Drew for reporting the oddball use of quoting here. Too bad. What a cop-out - attack the messenger. What kind of quotes do you think are appropriate for "unix", "dos", and "mac", none of which are proper names as lowercase? And why? What is the point of downcasing and then quoting them? That's what the question underlying this bug report. No answer, so far.