From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jan D." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk version getting closer Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:13:51 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <97735828-F80D-11D6-B4BF-00039363E640@swipnet.se> References: <1438-Thu14Nov2002215320+0200-eliz@is.elta.co.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037305295 6808 80.91.224.249 (14 Nov 2002 20:21:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18CQUY-0001le-00 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:21:34 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18CQh5-0007VD-00 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:34:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18CQVw-0003Ui-00; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:23:00 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18CQNS-00012T-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:14:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18CQNN-0000yX-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:14:12 -0500 Original-Received: from stubby.bodenonline.com ([193.201.16.94]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18CQNM-0000xm-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:14:08 -0500 Original-Received: from pc35.bodenonline.com (IDENT:root@[193.201.16.44]) by stubby.bodenonline.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id gAEK9sii014449; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:09:55 +0100 Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <1438-Thu14Nov2002215320+0200-eliz@is.elta.co.il> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9421 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9421 >> If one sets a default font for everything in .Xdefaults, or use >> for example CDE, KDE (and perhaps Gnome) tools for setting style, >> the tooltip will pick up that default font. > > I meant a decent setup, not the default. I once proposed to make the > default font for the tooltips smaller than the one chosen for the > default face, but was told that there are problems to do that with X, > and I don't know enough about X to suggest a solution. > > FWIW, my .emacs selects a much smaller font for tooltips. Yes, but you must be considered a power user. Most users seem to just use the tools available in the GUI to select fonts and colours. >> The alternative is to have a long tooltip. Then one has to wait for >> the tooltip to appear, shift focus of attention to the tooltip (which >> may be on the other side of the screen), and then shift attention back >> to the menu. > > That's how tooltips work on all GUI platforms I've seen; Emacs just > tries to be compatible here. (Of course, you have variables to > customize the time delay for pop-up and pop-down, if the defaults > annoy you.) I still believe that this is not how tooltips for menus work on the majority of GUI platforms. Most GUI platforms does not have tooltips for menus at all. But I think the "What's this?" approach explained elsewhere is better. Jan D.