From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
stefan@marxist.se, juri@linkov.net
Subject: Re: master ff4de1b: Fix quoting style in Lisp comments
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:39:35 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9672aeae-a969-1526-003b-abb1b00b5b49@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83o88t9kgb.fsf@gnu.org>
On 16.09.2021 08:08, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>,
>> juri@linkov.net, rudalics@gmx.at, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:15:59 -0400
>>
>> This is a typical bikeshed kind of question, so there's not much point
>> getting people to argue over it. The maintainers should make an
>> executive decision on it (but they do need to come to an agreement
>> among themselves ;-).
>
> We already had this discussion, and there was a conclusion. We
> decided to use '..' as the quoting style in plain-text documents.
> I've been using it everywhere since then. The main arguments were:
>
> . the ` character looks ugly on many modern displays
The "` character look ugly" discussion resulted in changes of how these
characters are rendered in the manual, the Help buffers, and so on.
And in this manual page:
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Documentation-Tips.html
Note how it still recommends either using curved quotes around symbols
in source code (which you apparently dislike; and so do I), or keep to
the old convention of `..'.
> . the Unicode quotes are not universally supported on text-mode terminals
> . therefore '..' has the least problems
>
> This discussion was a kind-of tangent of the dispute triggered by the
> changes in how we display `foo' quoted symbols in doc strings and
> echo-area messages.
That tangent was about NEWS and ChangeLogs and other plain text files.
> If we want '..' to be highlighted in some contexts, let's change
> font-lock to support that.
You can't just go around breaking things and expect others to pick up
the pieces.
> And please remember that we are not talking only about comments, nor
> only about ELisp files. We are talking about all kinds of plain-text
> documentation: comments, Git commit log messages, NEWS, PROBLEMS, text
> files in admin/notes/, etc.
No, we are not.
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2021-09-12 22:42 ` master ff4de1b: Fix quoting style in Lisp comments Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-13 8:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 12:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-14 2:14 ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-13 11:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 11:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 12:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 12:36 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-13 16:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-13 18:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-15 9:27 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 12:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-15 18:46 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 16:02 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-15 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 18:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-15 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 18:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-15 21:12 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-15 18:40 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-15 18:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 20:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-15 20:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-15 21:24 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-16 5:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 10:39 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2021-09-16 12:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-16 12:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 13:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 23:20 ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-18 0:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 16:19 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-17 14:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-17 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 19:21 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 5:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 8:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 8:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 13:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2021-09-17 9:17 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 10:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-17 10:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 22:46 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 6:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 7:32 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-09-18 8:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 8:37 ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-09-18 8:44 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-18 8:48 ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-18 11:50 ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-18 11:54 ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-18 16:03 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
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2021-09-18 8:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 8:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 9:18 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 11:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 16:02 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-18 9:28 ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-18 10:05 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 10:27 ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-18 10:51 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 18:40 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-18 18:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 19:34 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 23:22 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-19 5:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-19 10:00 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-19 17:30 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-19 17:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-19 17:54 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-21 14:38 ` Jean Louis
2021-09-21 17:04 ` tomas
2021-09-21 17:09 ` tomas
2021-09-24 20:42 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-19 5:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 10:55 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 11:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 11:30 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 12:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 12:30 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 16:21 ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-17 16:40 ` João Távora
2021-09-17 16:44 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-17 17:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 18:42 ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-17 18:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 19:14 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 19:22 ` Stefan Monnier
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2021-09-18 17:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-18 17:46 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 23:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-18 23:22 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-19 12:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-18 5:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 8:33 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 8:53 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 18:09 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-17 18:09 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-16 16:18 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-16 10:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 11:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 14:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 16:20 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-16 16:18 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-16 11:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-17 0:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-17 0:27 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-09-17 6:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 10:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-17 11:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 11:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-17 12:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 12:38 ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-17 12:59 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-09-17 15:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 13:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-17 13:44 ` João Távora
2021-09-17 15:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 16:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-17 18:10 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-17 13:18 ` Amin Bandali
2021-09-17 18:09 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-16 4:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 8:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 9:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 10:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 11:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 13:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-15 18:48 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 19:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 6:56 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-16 7:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 16:18 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-13 11:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-13 12:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 12:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 12:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 12:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 12:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
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