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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250157 Archived-At: > Your ideal world seems to be based on an editor design that is very > different from what Emacs is. The absolute majority of objects which > an average Lisp program manipulates are globally visible -- buffers, > windows, frames, global variables, the obarray, etc., and doing that > in non-blocking ways is not really trivial. Well I'm not going to abandon a tasty cake just because it doesn't come with my favorite topping. Besides, I wasn't trying to make Emacs itself non-blocking, but looking for options to do it all myself, manually. And the trick with replacing thread-yield with a 1ms sleep puts me pretty much 90% there.