From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: bug#10385: e binding in info-mode Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:26:21 -0800 Message-ID: <962D35497CE84D16B1B5F7AA509BFB59@us.oracle.com> References: <201112272237.pBRMbo8C022896@freefriends.org><62fwftxnbz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org><83fwfsoluz.fsf@gnu.org> <871urckv7k.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325971604 24259 80.91.229.12 (7 Jan 2012 21:26:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 21:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Eli Zaretskii' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Juri Linkov'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 07 22:26:39 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rjdmh-0006ts-Bz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 22:26:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38953 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rjdmg-00053E-Rk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:26:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:52088) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rjdme-000539-Tg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:26:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rjdme-000321-0o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:26:36 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:41642) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rjdmc-00031h-Iq; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:26:34 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id q07LQUcb018925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2012 21:26:31 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q07LQTm2006406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 7 Jan 2012 21:26:29 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt105.oracle.com (abhmt105.oracle.com [141.146.116.57]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q07LQS0M018792; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:26:28 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.36.141) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:26:28 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <871urckv7k.fsf@mail.jurta.org> thread-index: AczNfA6C/Jvr9Q3MRbigm662YjU5rgABgt6Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090209.4F08B887.0042,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 141.146.126.227 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147460 Archived-At: > > I thought that e would be a useful command > > back when I supposed info files would be written by hand. > > But we don't do that, so e is not useful and maybe only > > causes trouble. > > There is more trouble when this obsolete feature Since when is it obsolete? > is announced in the customization group `info' via its > customizable variable `Info-enable-edit'. It would be > better to hide it from the Customization interface by > changing `defcustom' to `defvar': Why? What if someone wants to create a small Info file and doesn't want to bother with texinfo or doesn't have the conversion/make tools handy? Why does it hurt for this to be a defcustom? Just leave the default value as nil. What's more, this is an entirely different question from the one raised by this thread, which is about the `e' binding. It should be enough that the binding of `e' is changed to `end-of-buffer' and the option value remains nil by default.