From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
Cc: 39847@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org,
jidanni@jidanni.org
Subject: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 13:13:08 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <95a4cc54-4d8d-4b89-ac03-376f037f1d1e@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mu8x40x3.fsf@stefankangas.se>
> > I don't see how it would be backward
> > compatible. How so?
>
> I mean that it would not change the current binding for C--.
I see. Yes, thanks. (You meant that,
unlike changing C-+/-, it wouldn't be
backward incompatible.)
> > 1. It doesn't help with the argument currently
> > being given, which is that users are used to
> > `C-+/-'. `s-+/-' doesn't help at all, given
> > such a habit, does it?
>
> I personally agree with Richard that C-- and C-+ is a better default
> and I also think it's okay if negative prefix argument is only on M--.
> However, Eli has stated in Bug#28182 that he doesn't want a backward
> incompatible change.
>
> AFAICT, s-- and s-+ has some precedence. It's used in Sublime
> Text. Atom and VSCode use C-- and C-+. This is from searching the
> web.
OK, but it won't help with a habit of using
`C-+/-' to zoom. That was my point here.
> > 2. We already have `C-x +/-'. Why would we need
> > or want two such sets of keys, by default?
>
> Familiarity and ease of use.
That might be an argument for switching to `s-+/-'
_instead_ of `C-x C-+/-' (familiarity, at least
for Sublime users). But I don't see how it argues
for having both, by default.
> BTW, we have more than two such keys:
> C-x C-+ text-scale-adjust
> C-x C-- text-scale-adjust
> C-x C-0 text-scale-adjust
> C-x C-= text-scale-adjust
Yes. And the `C-0' behavior would still be
needed, using some key sequence.
Which is (IMO) another argument against using
`C-+' and `C--'. `C-x' followed by `C--',
`C-0' or `C-+' kinda makes sense (mnemonic).
Where would we put the `C-0' behavior, for
the proposal to change to `C-+/-'?
Likewise, for convenience, a `s-=' alias
would also still be needed/wanted for `s-+',
for the same reason - no need to use `Shift'.
So we would be talking about some key (maybe
`s-0'?) for what `C-x C-0' does, plus
sacrificing `s-+', `s-=', and `s--'. So four
keys.
Plus apparently keeping `C-x C--', `C-x C-0',
`C-x C-+', and `C-x C-='.
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Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-02-29 23:06 bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-01 3:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-01 5:23 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-01 15:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-02 0:23 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-03 3:37 ` Richard Stallman
2020-03-03 15:32 ` Drew Adams
2020-03-03 16:31 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-03 19:55 ` Stefan Kangas
2017-08-22 3:05 ` bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2017-08-22 12:30 ` Nathan Moreau
2017-08-22 14:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-23 14:16 ` Richard Stallman
2017-08-23 17:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-23 23:05 ` Tak Kunihiro
2017-08-23 23:23 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 14:57 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2017-08-23 15:55 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 16:05 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2017-08-23 16:19 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 23:11 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2017-08-23 23:28 ` Drew Adams
2019-08-21 1:51 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-08-21 2:12 ` Drew Adams
2019-08-21 13:19 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-08-24 22:06 ` Juri Linkov
2019-08-27 0:40 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-08-27 21:13 ` Juri Linkov
2019-09-28 13:09 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-09-28 13:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-28 14:15 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-09-29 1:09 ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-29 1:40 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-09-29 7:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-29 15:33 ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-29 15:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-29 15:37 ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-29 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-29 23:36 ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-30 3:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-09-30 6:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-30 9:02 ` Robert Pluim
2019-09-30 9:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-02 20:17 ` Alan Third
2019-09-30 14:57 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-15 6:42 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-15 14:15 ` Drew Adams
2019-10-16 3:29 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-15 17:51 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-16 3:27 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-05 23:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-06 17:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-06 19:59 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-07 18:22 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-08 14:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-08 21:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-09 6:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 21:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-10 7:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-11 0:18 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-10 8:00 ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-11 0:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-11 5:53 ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-13 22:05 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-09 20:54 ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-03 20:03 ` bug#28182: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-03 20:24 ` Drew Adams
2020-03-03 20:51 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-03-03 21:04 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-03 21:13 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2020-08-05 12:08 ` bug#28182: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
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