From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12406: 24.2.50; frame parameter `menu-bar-lines' and `menu-bar-mode' Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:13:45 -0700 Message-ID: <95E595BA09D247A9BD45F52A304A471B@us.oracle.com> References: <54FF7233AE2E4AF39FEC5B688D67341E@us.oracle.com> <50504320.7030908@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1347459283 13407 80.91.229.3 (12 Sep 2012 14:14:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:14:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12406@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'martin rudalics'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 12 16:14:47 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TBniF-00063i-T4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:14:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43878 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBni9-0002PK-2e for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:14:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33699) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBnhy-0002Ox-Ez for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:14:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBnhp-0005ND-0G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:14:26 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47579) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBnho-0005N8-T8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:14:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBniY-0001sU-9I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:15:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12406 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12406-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12406.13474592867183 (code B ref 12406); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:15:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12406) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2012 14:14:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57125 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBniH-0001rn-D7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:14:45 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:17002) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBniF-0001rg-Ek for 12406@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:14:44 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q8CEDsPw027395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:13:55 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8CEDrOZ029657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:13:53 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt116.oracle.com (abhmt116.oracle.com [141.146.116.68]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q8CEDqgM013673; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:13:52 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.176.30) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:13:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <50504320.7030908@gmx.at> Thread-Index: Ac2QveF+ycbDo8dESKyiZZQeJl4tqQAMnaEw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:64186 Archived-At: > > A user should be able, as now, > > to set the mode and have it (1) update all existing frames > > IMHO it should update a frame iff that frame has no `menu-bar-lines' > frame parameter.' Why? Why shouldn't a user be ABLE to turn on/off showing the menu bar in all existing frames? One way or the other, we should find ways for users to alternatively easily do that (affecting all existing frames) OR protect some frames from that toggling. IOW, both should be possible and easy for the user to control interactively (not just in Lisp; e.g., using a prefix arg or a different command). > > and (b) affect future > > frames by setting the default behavior, i.e., unless overridden.