RE: customize-option erases .emacs contents!

RE: customize-option erases .emacs contents!

[Rancier, Jeff]

Or better yet, maintain it in CVS.

-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip Lord [mailto:p.lord@cs.man.ac.uk] 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 1:28 PM
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: customize-option erases .emacs contents!




>>>>> "JS" == JS  <dsa.@asdf.com> writes:

  JS> I have just used customize-option to set transistent-mode
  JS> on. But that operation just erased all other content from my
  JS> .emacs file! Is this a know risk when using customize-option
  JS> instead of writing the instructions manually in the .emacs file?


I've had this happen very occasionally to me as well. For this reason, among
others, my .emacs now looks like this...



;;Load my main emacs file
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/emacs")
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/emacs/packages")
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/emacs/published")

;; The first thing to do is load the packages directory. It provides ;;
autoloads for all of the packages that I use regularly, rather than ;;
anything else. 
(load "package-autoload.el")

;; The I want to load my main file which is where everything is ;; actually
loaded. (load "main.el" )

(setq minibuffer-max-depth nil)

(custom-set-variables
  ;; custom-set-variables was added by Custom -- don't edit or cut/paste it!
  ;; Your init file should contain only one such instance.
'(LaTeX-style-list (quote (("book") ("article") ("letter") ("prosper")
("report"))))

********************SNIP*******************


;;Load the post-custom file which has code which needs to be loaded er...
;;after the custom set vars. On the whole it is used to reset custom vars 
;;for specific circumstances
(load "post-custom.el")

(put 'upcase-region 'disabled nil)




All of what use to be my .emacs is in "main.el". I also have a small
post-custom.el for the odd thing that has to be done after custom. 
I think this is a neater way of doing things anyway.

I never found out a routine way of getting this to happen (*), so I don't
know if it's a bug. I also use numbered file backups, so it's always
recoverable. 

Cheers

Phil


(1) I tried xemacs once and it wiped my .emacs for me. This was my own
    stupid fault as it did ask me twice before doing it, and I still
    said yes. 

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Re: customize-option erases .emacs contents!

[Phillip Lord]

>>>>> "Jeff" == Rancier, Jeff <Jeff.Rancier@Sensis.com> writes:

  JS> I have just used customize-option to set transistent-mode
  JS> on. But that operation just erased all other content from my
  JS> .emacs file! Is this a know risk when using customize-option
  JS> instead of writing the instructions manually in the .emacs file?


  Phil> I've had this happen very occasionally to me as well. For this
  Phil> reason, among others, my .emacs now looks like this...


  Jeff> Or better yet, maintain it in CVS. 


I stopped doing this. I used to maintain a lot of tempo templates
customized in my .emacs. These often contained $Id: $ keywords, which
CVS would screw up. This was before I learnt how to stop that.

In the end, I don't version my .emacs. It's almost entirely
auto-generated anyway. I prefer to use numbered backups which happen
automatically also. 

The handwritten part of my .emacs (main.el) is versioned. 


  Kevin> I think an even neater way is to put this at the top of your
  Kevin> .emacs file:

  Kevin> (setq custom-file "~/emacs.custom")

This also works well, of course. I'm still prefer keeping most of my
lisp out of .emacs and into subfiles in a ~/emacs directory. Horses
for courses. 

Phil

customize-option erases .emacs contents!

[JS]

I have just used customize-option to set transistent-mode on. But that
operation just erased all other content from my .emacs file! Is this a know
risk when using customize-option instead of writing the instructions
manually in the .emacs file?

Re: customize-option erases .emacs contents!

[Phillip Lord]

>>>>> "JS" == JS  <dsa.@asdf.com> writes:

  JS> I have just used customize-option to set transistent-mode
  JS> on. But that operation just erased all other content from my
  JS> .emacs file! Is this a know risk when using customize-option
  JS> instead of writing the instructions manually in the .emacs file?


I've had this happen very occasionally to me as well. For this reason,
among others, my .emacs now looks like this...



;;Load my main emacs file
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/emacs")
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/emacs/packages")
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/emacs/published")

;; The first thing to do is load the packages directory. It provides
;; autoloads for all of the packages that I use regularly, rather than
;; anything else. 
(load "package-autoload.el")

;; The I want to load my main file which is where everything is
;; actually loaded.
(load "main.el" )

(setq minibuffer-max-depth nil)

(custom-set-variables
  ;; custom-set-variables was added by Custom -- don't edit or cut/paste it!
  ;; Your init file should contain only one such instance.
 '(LaTeX-style-list (quote (("book") ("article") ("letter") ("prosper") ("report"))))

********************SNIP*******************


;;Load the post-custom file which has code which needs to be loaded er...
;;after the custom set vars. On the whole it is used to reset custom vars 
;;for specific circumstances
(load "post-custom.el")

(put 'upcase-region 'disabled nil)




All of what use to be my .emacs is in "main.el". I also have a small
post-custom.el for the odd thing that has to be done after custom. 
I think this is a neater way of doing things anyway.

I never found out a routine way of getting this to happen (*), so I don't
know if it's a bug. I also use numbered file backups, so it's always
recoverable. 

Cheers

Phil


(1) I tried xemacs once and it wiped my .emacs for me. This was my own
    stupid fault as it did ask me twice before doing it, and I still
    said yes. 

Re: customize-option erases .emacs contents!

[Kevin Rodgers]

Phillip Lord wrote:
 > All of what use to be my .emacs is in "main.el". I also have a small
 > post-custom.el for the odd thing that has to be done after custom.
 > I think this is a neater way of doing things anyway.

I think an even neater way is to put this at the top of your .emacs
file:

(setq custom-file "~/emacs.custom")

-- 
Kevin Rodgers

Re: customize-option erases .emacs contents!

[JS]

"Kevin Rodgers" <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:mailman.2982.1114469895.2895.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org...
> Phillip Lord wrote:
>  > All of what use to be my .emacs is in "main.el". I also have a small
>  > post-custom.el for the odd thing that has to be done after custom.
>  > I think this is a neater way of doing things anyway.
>
> I think an even neater way is to put this at the top of your .emacs
> file:
>
> (setq custom-file "~/emacs.custom")


Would that prevent customize-option from deleting the contents of the .emacs
file when you use it?

Re: customize-option erases .emacs contents!

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 26.04.2005 um 08:29 schrieb JS:

> Would that prevent customize-option from deleting the contents of the 
> .emacs
> file when you use it?
>

I think so -- it never happened to me that mistakes during 
customization deleted the whole .emacs file, I only lost a few times 
the whole customization sections. Could be you were doing some other 
bad things ...

--
Greetings

   Pete

"Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end?"
                                                    - Tom Stoppard

Re: customize-option erases .emacs contents!

[Jim Smith]

Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:

> Am 26.04.2005 um 08:29 schrieb JS:
>
>> Would that prevent customize-option from deleting the contents of
>> the .emacs
>> file when you use it?
>>
>
> I think so -- it never happened to me that mistakes during
> customization deleted the whole .emacs file, I only lost a few times
> the whole customization sections. Could be you were doing some other
> bad things ...

This happend to me recently with a CVS emacs.  Emacs crashed during
customization and took my .emacs with it. (I had a backup)