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From: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>
To: Eshel Yaron <me@eshelyaron.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Vincenzo Pupillo <v.pupillo@gmail.com>,
	Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
Subject: Re: Tree-sitter central configuration variable
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2024 00:42:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <94819650-70B5-4BCA-83A4-055B75929A24@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1bjxypl78.fsf@macbookpro.home>



> On Nov 28, 2024, at 11:12 PM, Eshel Yaron <me@eshelyaron.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Actually, I want to expand this to something that allows users to
>> configure tree-sitter modes and toggle on/off tree-sitter features.
>> 
> [...]
>> 
>> What do you guys think about something like this:
>> 
>> (setq treesit-global-configuration
>>      '((c-ts-mode
>>         ;; Set treesit-font-lock-level to 4
>>         (font-lock-level . 4)
> [...]
>>         )))
>> 
> 
> FWIW, I think tree-sitter should be treated as an implementation detail,
> not a user-facing concept.  Tree-sitter empowers major mode developers,
> but users shouldn't have to know or care about tree-sitter to benefit
> from it.  So a TS-specific configuration user option is not the best
> approach IMO.  (For the same reason, I'm not a big fan of the "powered
> by tree-sitter" that we have today in the docstring of various modes.)

I principle, I agree, and that’s what we’ve been doing: we expose tree-sitter as a mechanism for major modes to build on. However, the reality is, something like this just aren’t going to be transparent—users know it’s powered by tree-sitter, they’ll need to have tree-sitter knowledge for non-trivial customizations (eg, add a font-lock rule or indent rule), and the major mode is tied-in with tree-sitter, implementing the major mode with another parser library would require creating a new major mode.

Once you accept that these modes are tied with tree-sitter, a TS-specific configuration starts to seem pretty reasonable. Also, think of the advantage of using a single set of configuration: no need to read the manual and learn the variables etc for each individual major modes; as long as the mode uses tree-sitter features, you learn the configuration framework once and use it on every mode.

> Instead, when it comes to settings that apply across major modes, I
> think we should focus on knobs that make sense whether or not a mode is
> TS-based, and have the TS-based modes respect such universal settings.

Perhaps you mean something that configures things like font-lock, imenu, etc? (I can’t really think of a third example). That’s a bit ambitious, the return is unclear to me, and gods bless whoever wants to fight through emacs-devel for it :-) OTOH, a tree-sitter configuration variable is pretty concrete, I know people want it, and more or less noncontroversial (I hope).

Yuan


  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-29  8:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-07 10:30 Define treesit-font-lock-level as buffer local Vincenzo Pupillo
2024-11-07 11:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-07 11:08   ` Vincenzo Pupillo
2024-11-09  8:36     ` Yuan Fu
2024-11-09  8:54       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-10  8:04         ` Yuan Fu
2024-11-23 12:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-29  5:49             ` Tree-sitter central configuration variable Yuan Fu
2024-11-29  7:12               ` Eshel Yaron
2024-11-29  8:42                 ` Yuan Fu [this message]
2024-11-29  8:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-29  9:07                 ` Yuan Fu
2024-11-29 12:02                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-29 17:01               ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-29 17:22                 ` Ship Mints
2024-12-03  6:40                   ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-03 13:14                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-07 12:04             ` Define treesit-font-lock-level as buffer local Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08  7:44               ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-14 11:14                 ` Vincenzo Pupillo
2024-12-17 11:31                   ` Vincenzo Pupillo
2024-12-17 21:37                     ` Yuan Fu

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