From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Oop customization group Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 08:24:24 -0400 Message-ID: <93AA5CFC-247B-4DD7-9E4E-168F8D6DB7D4@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--304107687; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1244291090 27221 80.91.229.12 (6 Jun 2009 12:24:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 12:24:50 +0000 (UTC) To: Emacs-Devel devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 06 14:24:46 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MCux0-0001z7-Jn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:24:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35674 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MCux0-0002KY-1r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:24:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MCuwu-0002IQ-10 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:24:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MCuwo-0002Gx-Fc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:24:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44329 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MCuwo-0002Gu-9Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:24:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f212.google.com ([209.85.218.212]:35860) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MCuwn-0004gU-Ny for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:24:30 -0400 Original-Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so178228bwz.42 for ; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 05:24:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :content-type:mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=YXaTwXhLjGW7HsC7BKEQv9AyvF5az/s1h+Flusz9sR4=; b=DFuG9QZnwZJ1ogej5X6lvS5fL26aqMhebIsA/05mE/sn0WFh8028z5JIFTARQVdXww qbHt8O3q1ULv2bXpOE/AMiwt0SrWD4kW2yCGFnOaQ2YQ2KtFGyFFQT3Zxy22a0HL0grv KVa9RLoo4SJD7Zt6NSlB/1ySxIXoQEzh6z6Ws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; b=Sc3Pwbs9idDiWVoJfoxUWwRMLFdLwEKp3F67Y2Evb5zTuyJGulEw7NF23kvbGFGg86 OxAaFJ33HV+eH/gDvSGNtiJOzKWnQz1P4hydY8kLCrIow/RI78DRpbPhrPbhTGZ1Nm7x 2kfyMYRu8IreSJWvhcxEv+362q9YQ2GpngWXU= Original-Received: by 10.204.52.5 with SMTP id f5mr4216106bkg.203.1244291068217; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 05:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?192.168.1.42? (pool-71-162-19-47.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [71.162.19.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e17sm1009457fke.48.2009.06.06.05.24.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Jun 2009 05:24:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111353 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-1--304107687 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a customization group defined, Oop, that's been in there since 1997, but at least in my build it is empty. I couldn't find anything refer to it. cus-edit.el: (defgroup oop nil "Support for object-oriented programming." :group 'programming) Also, I don't think the structure of these groups is very well though out: We have "Languages", then "Tools", which is helpfully labeled "Programming tools". What's a tool, and what's not? I think this means "general utilities: tools for programming in any language". But the structuring isn't good in the first place. Discounting the empty Oop group (which shouldn't be here anyways, since we lack a group for functional or imperative or whatever programming), there are just two entries in the "Programming" group. This doesn't justify an extra level in the hierarchy. --Apple-Mail-1--304107687 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIFxDCCAn0w ggHmoAMCAQICED6shx13jEDrq0eL8FRq5ykwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MTIwOTAyMDgwMVoXDTA5MTIwOTAyMDgw MVowYjEQMA4GA1UEBBMHUmVpdHRlcjEOMAwGA1UEKhMFRGF2aWQxFjAUBgNVBAMTDURhdmlkIFJl aXR0ZXIxJjAkBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWF2RhdmlkLnJlaXR0ZXJAZ21haWwuY29tMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDOdo6kAwlkBxUb8dj4saMbYg4SVng8CUePFn3cjjWrakBTbUVa4Z0n wlUxr7AitEeKhBy5nGhu96+jKUPrCwYNRCZ0l2ovvuGq4z1m1nZ5/c8WvFlVhieuxXMUfmb/O7D3 IojoX6iS8n5MNNU2IWNNT/AD3vOl6DKgOtOw4J9y+QIDAQABozQwMjAiBgNVHREEGzAZgRdkYXZp ZC5yZWl0dGVyQGdtYWlsLmNvbTAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAIjI8yEW wkiEfA9PMgpjnD6KyCXT0iZjHhW2PkR53yZZLUoTboHnKgsFwYp/gzzIL8J5cvZaRUyMUzXDufPP dRmxxCs2jXXLDD/8bvdvOuMzqgYoFA73fAfsC8S6qUL1PayZ90J8CZHNhDwqWqOA56T+DdKUegJT sqoHKh6OnypTMIIDPzCCAqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx FTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3 dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEk MCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJz b25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVow YjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAq BgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEB AQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDEpjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU 5VAKMNcCY1osiRVwjt3J8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTX p6a7n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+nttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8C AQAwQwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFs RnJlZW1haWxDQS5jcmwwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2 YXRlTGFiZWwyLTEzODANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aU nX9MIbj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5 jowgT2Vfldr394fWxghOrvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCAo8wggKLAgEB MHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4x LDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhA+rIcdd4xA66tH i/BUaucpMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCgggFvMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcN AQkFMQ8XDTA5MDYwNjEyMjQyNVowIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYEFAErqUSC/eHbBsnsHnYnovR3tFHd MIGFBgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxeDB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3Vs dGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWlu ZyBDQQIQPqyHHXeMQOurR4vwVGrnKTCBhwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxeKB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpB MSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUg UGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQPqyHHXeMQOurR4vwVGrnKTANBgkqhkiG9w0B AQEFAASBgIwh8c/ngmq6Ww7fR0bgRkGFdXs1aQa9XpOvRMCGe2ezmK+H05tWm+ydm2CsLXqBCcDK r9C3A58FsJ1+AfzqeGq/nWCuTwgUHCwRxZFftmMUnotuCCP8OQAK699+OuY85o6JEt9LMYwYRRR6 Y79pBXFD1MgSClL3/uec/1h+AaDbAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-1--304107687--