* [babel] Editing 'quote' source blocks in artist mode @ 2012-02-23 0:26 Thorsten 2012-02-23 0:50 ` Nick Dokos 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Thorsten @ 2012-02-23 0:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi list, when I want to edit text inside a 'quote' source block, I find myself in picture/artist mode with wild key rebindings, e.g.: ,--------------------------------------------------------------------------- | RET (translated from <return>) runs the command artist-key-set-point, | which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `artist.el'. | | It is bound to RET. | | (artist-key-set-point &optional ARG) | | Set a point for the current shape. With optional ARG, set the last point. `--------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't think thats the intended behaviour? Shouldn't the edit buffer rather be in fundamental mode or something like this? To reproduce this: ,----------------------------- | <q tab | then inside the source block | C-c ' `----------------------------- My system data: "GNU Emacs 24.0.93.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) of 2012-02-07 on arch Org-mode version 7.8.03 Ma Gnus v0.2" -- cheers, Thorsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Editing 'quote' source blocks in artist mode 2012-02-23 0:26 [babel] Editing 'quote' source blocks in artist mode Thorsten @ 2012-02-23 0:50 ` Nick Dokos 2012-02-23 9:39 ` Thorsten 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Nick Dokos @ 2012-02-23 0:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thorsten; +Cc: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode Thorsten <quintfall@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi list, > when I want to edit text inside a 'quote' source block, I find myself in > picture/artist mode with wild key rebindings, e.g.: > > ,--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | RET (translated from <return>) runs the command artist-key-set-point, > | which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `artist.el'. > | > | It is bound to RET. > | > | (artist-key-set-point &optional ARG) > | > | Set a point for the current shape. With optional ARG, set the last point. > `--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I don't think thats the intended behaviour? Shouldn't the edit buffer > rather be in fundamental mode or something like this? > To reproduce this: > > ,----------------------------- > | <q tab > | then inside the source block > | C-c ' > `----------------------------- > > My system data: > "GNU Emacs 24.0.93.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) > of 2012-02-07 on arch > Org-mode version 7.8.03 > Ma Gnus v0.2" > I can't reproduce it. Is C-c ' (still) bound to org-edit-special? C-h f org-edit-special RET says ,---- | org-edit-special is an interactive Lisp function in `org.el'. | | (org-edit-special &optional ARG) | | Call a special editor for the stuff at point. | When at a table, call the formula editor with `org-table-edit-formulas'. | When at the first line of an src example, call `org-edit-src-code'. | When in an #+include line, visit the include file. Otherwise call | `ffap' to visit the file at point. `---- and I get the ffap behavior in a quote block (not that that's particularly attractive either). Did you try it emacs -q? Maybe it's a customization of yours. Nick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Editing 'quote' source blocks in artist mode 2012-02-23 0:50 ` Nick Dokos @ 2012-02-23 9:39 ` Thorsten 2012-02-23 15:57 ` Gustav Wikström 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Thorsten @ 2012-02-23 9:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes: > Thorsten <quintfall@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> Hi list, >> when I want to edit text inside a 'quote' source block, I find myself in >> picture/artist mode with wild key rebindings, e.g.: >> >> ,--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> | RET (translated from <return>) runs the command artist-key-set-point, >> | which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `artist.el'. >> | >> | It is bound to RET. >> | >> | (artist-key-set-point &optional ARG) >> | >> | Set a point for the current shape. With optional ARG, set the last point. >> `--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I don't think thats the intended behaviour? Shouldn't the edit buffer >> rather be in fundamental mode or something like this? >> To reproduce this: >> >> ,----------------------------- >> | <q tab >> | then inside the source block >> | C-c ' >> `----------------------------- >> >> My system data: >> "GNU Emacs 24.0.93.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) >> of 2012-02-07 on arch >> Org-mode version 7.8.03 >> Ma Gnus v0.2" >> > > I can't reproduce it. > > Is C-c ' (still) bound to org-edit-special? Yes, it is. > C-h f org-edit-special RET says > > ,---- > | org-edit-special is an interactive Lisp function in `org.el'. > | > | (org-edit-special &optional ARG) > | > | Call a special editor for the stuff at point. > | When at a table, call the formula editor with `org-table-edit-formulas'. > | When at the first line of an src example, call `org-edit-src-code'. > | When in an #+include line, visit the include file. Otherwise call > | `ffap' to visit the file at point. > `---- > > and I get the ffap behavior in a quote block (not that that's particularly > attractive either). > > Did you try it emacs -q? Maybe it's a customization of yours. I tried that too, and again the edit buffer was in artist mode. I use the emacs24-starter-kit now, so not all customisations are mine. But I can't see anything that sets edit buffers in artist mode. Might that be related with openwith mode? I have that activated globally. But it shouldn't happen with emcas -q then. -- cheers, Thorsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Editing 'quote' source blocks in artist mode 2012-02-23 9:39 ` Thorsten @ 2012-02-23 15:57 ` Gustav Wikström 2012-02-23 16:06 ` Nick Dokos 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Gustav Wikström @ 2012-02-23 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thorsten; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2723 bytes --] Hi! Just tried this and I can confirm both your bugs. calling org-edit-special on the following line gives artist-mode (or whatever it is called..): : some text calling org-edit-special inside the block gives ffap: #+begin_quote some text #+end_quote /Gustav On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Thorsten <quintfall@googlemail.com> wrote: > Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes: > > > Thorsten <quintfall@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi list, > >> when I want to edit text inside a 'quote' source block, I find myself in > >> picture/artist mode with wild key rebindings, e.g.: > >> > >> > ,--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> | RET (translated from <return>) runs the command artist-key-set-point, > >> | which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `artist.el'. > >> | > >> | It is bound to RET. > >> | > >> | (artist-key-set-point &optional ARG) > >> | > >> | Set a point for the current shape. With optional ARG, set the last > point. > >> > `--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> I don't think thats the intended behaviour? Shouldn't the edit buffer > >> rather be in fundamental mode or something like this? > >> To reproduce this: > >> > >> ,----------------------------- > >> | <q tab > >> | then inside the source block > >> | C-c ' > >> `----------------------------- > >> > >> My system data: > >> "GNU Emacs 24.0.93.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) > >> of 2012-02-07 on arch > >> Org-mode version 7.8.03 > >> Ma Gnus v0.2" > >> > > > > I can't reproduce it. > > > > Is C-c ' (still) bound to org-edit-special? > > Yes, it is. > > > C-h f org-edit-special RET says > > > > ,---- > > | org-edit-special is an interactive Lisp function in `org.el'. > > | > > | (org-edit-special &optional ARG) > > | > > | Call a special editor for the stuff at point. > > | When at a table, call the formula editor with > `org-table-edit-formulas'. > > | When at the first line of an src example, call `org-edit-src-code'. > > | When in an #+include line, visit the include file. Otherwise call > > | `ffap' to visit the file at point. > > `---- > > > > and I get the ffap behavior in a quote block (not that that's > particularly > > attractive either). > > > > Did you try it emacs -q? Maybe it's a customization of yours. > > I tried that too, and again the edit buffer was in artist mode. > I use the emacs24-starter-kit now, so not all customisations are mine. > But I can't see anything that sets edit buffers in artist mode. > > Might that be related with openwith mode? I have that activated > globally. But it shouldn't happen with emcas -q then. > > -- > cheers, > Thorsten > > > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4175 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Editing 'quote' source blocks in artist mode 2012-02-23 15:57 ` Gustav Wikström @ 2012-02-23 16:06 ` Nick Dokos 2012-02-23 16:24 ` Thorsten 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Nick Dokos @ 2012-02-23 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gustav_Wikstr=F6m?= Cc: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode, Thorsten Gustav Wikström <gustav.erik@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi! > > Just tried this and I can confirm both your bugs. > > calling org-edit-special on the following line gives artist-mode (or whatever it is called..): > > : some text > That's a feature, not a bug: ,---- | org-edit-fixed-width-region is an interactive Lisp function in | `org-src.el'. | | (org-edit-fixed-width-region) | | Edit the fixed-width ascii drawing at point. | This must be a region where each line starts with a colon followed by | a space character. | An new buffer is created and the fixed-width region is copied into it, | and the buffer is switched into `artist-mode' for editing. When done, | exit with C-c '. The edited text will then replace | the fragment in the Org-mode buffer. `---- Nick > calling org-edit-special inside the block gives ffap: > > #+begin_quote > some text > #+end_quote > > /Gustav > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Thorsten <quintfall@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes: > > > Thorsten <quintfall@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi list, > >> when I want to edit text inside a 'quote' source block, I find myself in > >> picture/artist mode with wild key rebindings, e.g.: > >> > >> ,--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> | RET (translated from <return>) runs the command artist-key-set-point, > >> | which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `artist.el'. > >> | > >> | It is bound to RET. > >> | > >> | (artist-key-set-point &optional ARG) > >> | > >> | Set a point for the current shape. With optional ARG, set the last point. > >> `--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> I don't think thats the intended behaviour? Shouldn't the edit buffer > >> rather be in fundamental mode or something like this? > >> To reproduce this: > >> > >> ,----------------------------- > >> | <q tab > >> | then inside the source block > >> | C-c ' > >> `----------------------------- > >> > > >> My system data: > >> "GNU Emacs 24.0.93.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) > >> of 2012-02-07 on arch > >> Org-mode version 7.8.03 > >> Ma Gnus v0.2" > >> > > > > I can't reproduce it. > > > > Is C-c ' (still) bound to org-edit-special? > > Yes, it is. > > > C-h f org-edit-special RET says > > > > ,---- > > | org-edit-special is an interactive Lisp function in `org.el'. > > | > > | (org-edit-special &optional ARG) > > | > > | Call a special editor for the stuff at point. > > | When at a table, call the formula editor with `org-table-edit-formulas'. > > | When at the first line of an src example, call `org-edit-src-code'. > > | When in an #+include line, visit the include file. Otherwise call > > | `ffap' to visit the file at point. > > `---- > > > > and I get the ffap behavior in a quote block (not that that's particularly > > attractive either). > > > > Did you try it emacs -q? Maybe it's a customization of yours. > > I tried that too, and again the edit buffer was in artist mode. > I use the emacs24-starter-kit now, so not all customisations are mine. > But I can't see anything that sets edit buffers in artist mode. > > Might that be related with openwith mode? I have that activated > globally. But it shouldn't happen with emcas -q then. > > -- > cheers, > Thorsten > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Alternatives: > > ---------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Editing 'quote' source blocks in artist mode 2012-02-23 16:06 ` Nick Dokos @ 2012-02-23 16:24 ` Thorsten 2012-02-23 16:37 ` Nick Dokos 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Thorsten @ 2012-02-23 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes: > Gustav Wikström <gustav.erik@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Just tried this and I can confirm both your bugs. >> >> calling org-edit-special on the following line gives artist-mode (or whatever it is called..): >> >> : some text >> > > That's a feature, not a bug: A quote might be a fixed-width-region inside an org document, but who wants to edit a textual quote in picture/artitst mode? Quotes are almost always text imho. > ,---- > | org-edit-fixed-width-region is an interactive Lisp function in > | `org-src.el'. > | > | (org-edit-fixed-width-region) > | > | Edit the fixed-width ascii drawing at point. > | This must be a region where each line starts with a colon followed by > | a space character. > | An new buffer is created and the fixed-width region is copied into it, > | and the buffer is switched into `artist-mode' for editing. When done, > | exit with C-c '. The edited text will then replace > | the fragment in the Org-mode buffer. > `---- > > Nick > >> calling org-edit-special inside the block gives ffap: >> >> #+begin_quote >> some text >> #+end_quote >> >> /Gustav >> >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Thorsten <quintfall@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes: >> >> > Thorsten <quintfall@googlemail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Hi list, >> >> when I want to edit text inside a 'quote' source block, I find myself in >> >> picture/artist mode with wild key rebindings, e.g.: >> >> >> >> ,--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> | RET (translated from <return>) runs the command artist-key-set-point, >> >> | which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `artist.el'. >> >> | >> >> | It is bound to RET. >> >> | >> >> | (artist-key-set-point &optional ARG) >> >> | >> >> | Set a point for the current shape. With optional ARG, set the last point. >> >> `--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> I don't think thats the intended behaviour? Shouldn't the edit buffer >> >> rather be in fundamental mode or something like this? >> >> To reproduce this: >> >> >> >> ,----------------------------- >> >> | <q tab >> >> | then inside the source block >> >> | C-c ' >> >> `----------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> My system data: >> >> "GNU Emacs 24.0.93.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) >> >> of 2012-02-07 on arch >> >> Org-mode version 7.8.03 >> >> Ma Gnus v0.2" >> >> >> > >> > I can't reproduce it. >> > >> > Is C-c ' (still) bound to org-edit-special? >> >> Yes, it is. >> >> > C-h f org-edit-special RET says >> > >> > ,---- >> > | org-edit-special is an interactive Lisp function in `org.el'. >> > | >> > | (org-edit-special &optional ARG) >> > | >> > | Call a special editor for the stuff at point. >> > | When at a table, call the formula editor with `org-table-edit-formulas'. >> > | When at the first line of an src example, call `org-edit-src-code'. >> > | When in an #+include line, visit the include file. Otherwise call >> > | `ffap' to visit the file at point. >> > `---- >> > >> > and I get the ffap behavior in a quote block (not that that's particularly >> > attractive either). >> > >> > Did you try it emacs -q? Maybe it's a customization of yours. >> >> I tried that too, and again the edit buffer was in artist mode. >> I use the emacs24-starter-kit now, so not all customisations are mine. >> But I can't see anything that sets edit buffers in artist mode. >> >> Might that be related with openwith mode? I have that activated >> globally. But it shouldn't happen with emcas -q then. >> >> -- >> cheers, >> Thorsten >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> Alternatives: >> >> ---------------------------------------------------- -- cheers, Thorsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Editing 'quote' source blocks in artist mode 2012-02-23 16:24 ` Thorsten @ 2012-02-23 16:37 ` Nick Dokos 2012-02-23 16:50 ` Thorsten 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Nick Dokos @ 2012-02-23 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thorsten; +Cc: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode Thorsten <quintfall@googlemail.com> wrote: > Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes: > > > Gustav Wikström <gustav.erik@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi! > >> > >> Just tried this and I can confirm both your bugs. > >> > >> calling org-edit-special on the following line gives artist-mode (or whatever it is called..): > >> > >> : some text > >> > > > > That's a feature, not a bug: > > > A quote might be a fixed-width-region inside an org document, but who > wants to edit a textual quote in picture/artitst mode? > Nobody - I was just pointing out that we (at least, Gustav and I do) get this behavior and that's consistent with the code. OTOH, we *don't* all get the same behavior with #+begin/end_quote and the behavior you get is inconsistent with the code: you get picture mode, Gustav and I get (confusing) questions about opening a file with ffap. > Quotes are almost always text imho. > Not sure what the "best" solution is: sometimes they are ascii art and having picture mode on is helpful, sometimes they are text and some kind of text mode would be more appropriate. But they could really be anything so *any* choice is bound to disappoint at some point/time and I'm not sure org can be prescient enough TDRT all the time. Nick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Editing 'quote' source blocks in artist mode 2012-02-23 16:37 ` Nick Dokos @ 2012-02-23 16:50 ` Thorsten 2012-02-23 22:44 ` Eric Schulte 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Thorsten @ 2012-02-23 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes: > Thorsten <quintfall@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes: >> >> > Gustav Wikström <gustav.erik@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi! >> >> >> >> Just tried this and I can confirm both your bugs. >> >> >> >> calling org-edit-special on the following line gives artist-mode (or whatever it is called..): >> >> >> >> : some text >> >> >> > >> > That's a feature, not a bug: >> >> >> A quote might be a fixed-width-region inside an org document, but who >> wants to edit a textual quote in picture/artitst mode? >> > > Nobody - I was just pointing out that we (at least, Gustav and I do) get > this behavior and that's consistent with the code. OTOH, we *don't* all > get the same behavior with #+begin/end_quote and the behavior you get is > inconsistent with the code: you get picture mode, Gustav and I get > (confusing) questions about opening a file with ffap. > >> Quotes are almost always text imho. >> > > Not sure what the "best" solution is: sometimes they are ascii art and > having picture mode on is helpful, sometimes they are text and some kind > of text mode would be more appropriate. But they could really be anything > so *any* choice is bound to disappoint at some point/time and I'm not sure > org can be prescient enough TDRT all the time. I seem to remember that before my shift to emacs24 I just used quote-blocks and they were in text mode and I thought that was allright as default behaviour. Actually, I did not even notice what mode I was in, because it felt so natural to edit the quote as text. I'm not really into this, its a bit strange, and might be just a special problem with my emacs installation/configuration. -- cheers, Thorsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Editing 'quote' source blocks in artist mode 2012-02-23 16:50 ` Thorsten @ 2012-02-23 22:44 ` Eric Schulte 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2012-02-23 22:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thorsten; +Cc: emacs-orgmode >> >> Not sure what the "best" solution is: sometimes they are ascii art and >> having picture mode on is helpful, sometimes they are text and some kind >> of text mode would be more appropriate. But they could really be anything >> so *any* choice is bound to disappoint at some point/time and I'm not sure >> org can be prescient enough TDRT all the time. > > I seem to remember that before my shift to emacs24 I just used > quote-blocks and they were in text mode and I thought that was allright > as default behaviour. Actually, I did not even notice what mode I was > in, because it felt so natural to edit the quote as text. > > I'm not really into this, its a bit strange, and might be just a special > problem with my emacs installation/configuration. I can confirm that this is the behavior seen on Emacs24 even when no configuration is loaded. I think this is the *wrong* behavior, quotes are generally textual and loading them in artist mode (to me) is surprising and undesirable. In looking at the code it seems that `org-edit-special' will launch *any* block type in fixed width mode which isn't explicitly caught by `org-edit-src-code'. See the relevant portion of the function [1]. I think the fix here would be to change `org-edit-fixed-width-region' s.t. it only returns true when in fixed width block types (e.g., example). Then possibly add another case statement to launch other block types into text-mode special editing. Best, Footnotes: [1] The call to `org-edit-fixed-width-region' returns true when the point is in *any* block type. ,---- | (cond ;; proceed with `org-edit-special' | ((save-excursion | (beginning-of-line 1) | (looking-at "\\(?:#\\+\\(?:setupfile\\|include\\):?[ \t]+\"?\\|[ \t]*<include\\>.*?file=\"\\)\\([^\"\n>]+\\)")) | (find-file (org-trim (match-string 1)))) | ((org-edit-src-code)) | ((org-edit-fixed-width-region)) | ((org-at-table.el-p) | (org-edit-src-code)) | ((or (org-at-table-p) | (save-excursion | (beginning-of-line 1) | (looking-at "[ \t]*#\\+TBLFM:"))) | (call-interactively 'org-table-edit-formulas)) | (t (call-interactively 'ffap))) `---- -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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