From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#34114: 27.0.50: pdumper and themes with Emacs daemon Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 07:32:25 +0200 Message-ID: <92BA4FF9-C87A-4844-9114-7F716434681C@gnu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.org; posting-host="ciao.gmane.org:195.159.176.228"; logging-data="167541"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.org" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android Cc: 34114@debbugs.gnu.org, karl@karlotness.com, kaushal.modi@gmail.com To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 23 06:33:11 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gmB9y-000hQZ-Go for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Wed, 23 Jan 2019 00:32:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.13.6.54] (port=8226 helo=[10.130.42.54]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gmB9I-0005kB-VR; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 00:32:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:154690 Archived-At: On January 23, 2019 6:05:40 AM GMT+02:00, Daniel Colascione wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jan 22, 2019 7:43 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 > > Cc: karl@karlotness=2Ecom, 34114@debbugs=2Egnu=2Eorg, > kaushal=2Emodi@gmail=2Ecom=20 > > From: Daniel Colascione =20 > > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 17:41:34 -0800=20 > >=20 > > > What is special about frames that precludes them from being > recorded=20 > > > by the pdumper?=20 > >=20 > > Frames contain instance-specific state, and I don't think it makes > sense=20 > > to try to pretend that individual frames survive from one Emacs=20 > > invocation to another=2E=20 >=20 > Sorry, I still don't think I understand: what is that=20 > instance-specific state, in terms of members of the frame object, or=20 > its attributes?=20 >=20 >=20 > A frame is always associated with a specific pty, specific X11 window, > specific win32 window, etc=2E These concepts do not exist across > different invocations of Emacs=2E I don't understand what you don't > understand=2E=20 I didn't understand what you meant by "instance"=2E I think I do now -- y= ou mean output_method, output_data, and terminal members of struct frame? = If so, these are (trivially) figured out for the initial frame, they are se= t to special values=2E And we delete that initial frame during startup, as= soon as we can=2E So I don't think I understand the concerns=2E What spe= cific problems could be caused by retaining this initial frame?