From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Johan Andersson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Dvorak/Svorak in Emacs Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:11:21 +0000 Message-ID: <929ccd880910041311t6db85780n3dcd018c3a1f748d@mail.gmail.com> References: <70c362c8-9d38-4ac0-9e33-f110c7c844da@k13g2000prh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255596b2d4393f04752199b7 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1254687124 2075 80.91.229.12 (4 Oct 2009 20:12:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Xah Lee Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 04 22:11:57 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MuXQw-0008So-GV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:11:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52592 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MuXQw-0002Ce-GU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:11:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MuXQY-0002CY-D6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:11:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MuXQU-0002BN-Iv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:11:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58420 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MuXQU-0002BK-FS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:11:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f205.google.com ([209.85.220.205]:41609) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MuXQT-0004rZ-Em for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:11:25 -0400 Original-Received: by fxm1 with SMTP id 1so2081425fxm.31 for ; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:11:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QYtM+uOHi344S46h+rkaS9Fg6R0MGmmtWpyPorEFJgc=; b=YWb8U+PJTM4H0WWSAz/bGNrVqLL9pKsH3/JINR6NabsAS6GLEiNl5Yn01VIm/071SW JR2MjlUog9Zc35ujyclv97C/sKlBQREOrxOnW+alsh6j3YqTOgtA8TeSk2Yd50GERlwz fyyAWWqTDZ/Rwc7K/UJ431X0L05bEmxRpYakg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=BN+3GswRAicRSe9bhSnmQhVD9Ujlp2WF63Unygr+Tde9oIMD6kXKzISLRAJnmePNdD qunt5y2kBsKr9WRfPVEcVEpt46bjn98M2G1Ewofmb5nEW45GWRuWb+NZiiRAJzV+G6jC 5Jhnxwlo5aK4squnxyUCkx/BXTdjGRYcNnsDU= Original-Received: by 10.204.25.71 with SMTP id y7mr3298854bkb.67.1254687082035; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:11:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <70c362c8-9d38-4ac0-9e33-f110c7c844da@k13g2000prh.googlegroups.com> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:68667 Archived-At: --0003255596b2d4393f04752199b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did not google for hours. I found some things. But I found way less than = I expected. And not very good posts. Anyway. Nice texts about this at your page. I will as you say try to use th= e Svorak layout. Thanks a lot guys! On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Xah Lee wrote: > i've been a professional qwerty typist hired for data entry for 1+ > year in early 1990s. > > I've been a dvorak touch typist since ~1993. > > Started to use emacs, and daily, since 1998. > > So, my emacs experience is all dvorak, and it's all good. > > if you are thinking some sort of dvorak for typing and qwerty for > hotkeys, don't do that. > > there are quite a few pages about dvorak and emacs... how much time > did you google? > > if you want to try dvorak, just switch to the layout in your OS, and > use emacs as is. That's the best way. > > a lot people uses dvorak with emacs too... too lazy to cite them here. > You can find them on blogs...etc. Try to spend a hour web search, > you'll find probably more info or blogs, comments, etc that will take > more than 4 hours to read, at least. > > i have written quite a lot on the subject myself... you can read: > > =E2=80=A2 Xah's Emacs Tutorial > http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs.html > > =E2=80=A2 All About Keyboards, Keyboard Layouts, Shortcuts, Macros > http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/keyboarding.html > > Xah > =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ > > =E2=98=84 > > On Oct 3, 7:58 am, Johan Andersson wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I've been thinking for a while about testing Dvorak in Emacs (or Svorak > for > > me since I'm from Sweden). Before I started I out, I googled a bit abou= t > > "emacs dvorak", but to my suprise got really few hits about this. So I > > thought I'd ask here. > > > > First off I found out that you could do *C-\ english-dvorak RET*, which > > would activate Dvorak but still keep the the Emacs keybindings (So that > you > > don't have to type C-l to go to the previous line). But that does not > help > > me all the way, since I want to use Svorak. And by only switching the > Xorg > > keyboard layout to Svorak, I'd still have to somehow remap all > keybindings > > in Emacs. > > > > So the question is basically: How do I get Svorak working in Emacs? And > do > > any of you even use Dvorak at all? I mean Emacs users often use Emacs > > because you can do things really fast, so I tought that many Emacs user= s > > would use Dvorak. > > > > Thanks! > --0003255596b2d4393f04752199b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did not google for hours. I found some things. But I found way less than = I expected. And not very good posts.

Anyway. Nice texts about this a= t your page. I will as you say try to use the Svorak layout.

Thanks = a lot guys!

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Xah Lee <xahlee@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
i've been a professional qwerty typist hired for data entry for 1+
year in early 1990s.

I've been a dvorak touch typist since ~1993.

Started to use emacs, and daily, since 1998.

So, my emacs experience is all dvorak, and it's all good.

if you are thinking some sort of dvorak for typing and qwerty for
hotkeys, don't do that.

there are quite a few pages about dvorak and emacs... how much time
did you google?

if you want to try dvorak, just switch to the layout in your OS, and
use emacs as is. That's the best way.

a lot people uses dvorak with emacs too... too lazy to cite them here.
You can find them on blogs...etc. Try to spend a hour web search,
you'll find probably more info or blogs, comments, etc that will take more than 4 hours to read, at least.

i have written quite a lot on the subject myself... you can read:

=E2=80=A2 Xah's Emacs Tutorial
=C2=A0http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs.html

=E2=80=A2 All About Keyboards, Keyboard Layouts, Shortcuts, Macros =C2=A0http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/keyboarding.html=

=C2=A0Xah
=E2=88=91 http://xahlee.or= g/

=E2=98=84

On Oct 3, 7:58 am, Johan Andersson <johan.rej...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I've been thinking for a while about testing Dvorak in Emacs (or S= vorak for
> me since I'm from Sweden). Before I started I out, I googled a bit= about
> "emacs dvorak", but to my suprise got really few hits about = this. So I
> thought I'd ask here.
>
> First off I found out that you could do *C-\ english-dvorak RET*, whic= h
> would activate Dvorak but still keep the the Emacs keybindings (So tha= t you
> don't have to type C-l to go to the previous line). But that does = not help
> me all the way, since I want to use Svorak. And by only switching the = Xorg
> keyboard layout to Svorak, I'd still have to somehow remap all key= bindings
> in Emacs.
>
> So the question is basically: How do I get Svorak working in Emacs? An= d do
> any of you even use Dvorak at all? I mean Emacs users often use Emacs<= br> > because you can do things really fast, so I tought that many Emacs use= rs
> would use Dvorak.
>
> Thanks!

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