From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Johan Andersson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Dvorak/Svorak in Emacs Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:51:47 +0000 Message-ID: <929ccd880910031551p6aa01d81hae0bf57af6a81987@mail.gmail.com> References: <929ccd880910030758ta1a6b7fye41ca55328d6b64e@mail.gmail.com> <20091004.003205.141180230.renaud@casenave-pere.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a0d2ba823404750fb99e X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1254610352 11730 80.91.229.12 (3 Oct 2009 22:52:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Renaud_Casenave=2DP=E9r=E9?= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 04 00:52:25 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MuDSi-0005bq-Vw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:52:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48694 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MuDSh-0005cb-9H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:52:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MuDSD-0005aV-Ds for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:51:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MuDS9-0005VM-RH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:51:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47680 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MuDS9-0005VF-Lb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:51:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f220.google.com ([209.85.218.220]:41130) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MuDS8-0006R9-OG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:51:49 -0400 Original-Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so1834328bwz.42 for ; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:51:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=tNHCUXA3pDoiJbFVRgQjcMLFHmtfVRmrMwswYi+4mRA=; b=IZMLcgjOvuB8j3kI8RoNTyXpHd0UBfntrqadAu7Ceal8uGSbmCPFXWMUbuh97xdBG5 yTyHp5i6jN4cyW6lHR39fcjkb8sbjPXxI+EHKRaBvdDCQrqIHNoWoJP7WsdS/GpeyKpZ iI9tLCOyyRPe41VX5AUEh4ktTuQPRM2Fhfz58= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=x8+LvkBfOr3nBuGk4MOhxuKZmcBEWP858RpggzKKuPHUkJ6cUSDSpYiXDq5V0frdQC GW9n2xIH5hNuznFn79JjZP8mYix1rfTyWvSI03YuRz0B5gEoc2QiYGUzAm81oaSTCjsQ FJ26ypkbJR9mrdVIpSA1RfhzogFlBSOrzdxBc= Original-Received: by 10.204.10.20 with SMTP id n20mr2298073bkn.161.1254610307809; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:51:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091004.003205.141180230.renaud@casenave-pere.fr> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:68653 Archived-At: --00032555a0d2ba823404750fb99e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess I could try that. But it does seems like a lot of time to get used to that. I mean, learning how to use C-n, C-f, etc... instead of using the arrows took quite some time. Lets say I want to keep the bindings at their current positions, how would = I go about that? Would I have to remap all bindings? I guess I could check before each command is executed, what the command was. If it was a self-insert-command I would do nothing. Otherwise I would translate the binding to the dvorak layout, and the run the function. This would result i= n that the regular typing will be the dvorak way, but all other function call= s would be mapped against qwerty. I guess no one has such code lying around? ;) 2009/10/3 Renaud Casenave-P=E9r=E9 > Hi, > > I am a happy dvorak user myself and what I did was just use the new > keybindings (like C-p becoming C-l) > At first, you may think the bindings aren't really usable, but you will g= et > used to it quite easily. > Well, you'll have to use two hands to save a file or quit emacs, but if y= ou > use dvorak (or svorak), I guess you keep your two hands on the keyboard, = so > it shouldn't be that much of a problem. > > So I suggest you give a chance to default bindings after switching X to > Svorak. > > -- > Renaud Casenave-P=E9r=E9 > --00032555a0d2ba823404750fb99e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess I could try that. But it does seems like a lot of time to get used = to that. I mean, learning how to use C-n, C-f, etc... instead of using the = arrows took quite some time.

Lets say I want to keep the bindings at= their current positions, how would I go about that? Would I have to remap = all bindings? I guess I could check before each command is executed, what t= he command was. If it was a self-insert-command I would do nothing. Otherwi= se I would translate the binding to the dvorak layout, and the run the func= tion. This would result in that the regular typing will be the dvorak way, = but all other function calls would be mapped against qwerty. I guess no one= has such code lying around? ;)

2009/10/3 Renaud Casenave-P=E9r=E9 <renaud@casenave-per= e.fr>
Hi,

I am a happy dvorak user myself and what I did was just use the new keybind= ings (like C-p becoming C-l)
At first, you may think the bindings aren't really usable, but you will= get used to it quite easily.
Well, you'll have to use two hands to save a file or quit emacs, but if= you use dvorak (or svorak), I guess you keep your two hands on the keyboar= d, so it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

So I suggest you give a chance to default bindings after switching X to Svo= rak.

--
Renaud Casenave-P=E9r=E9

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