From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <927b0c4a-3de2-4be5-b86a-7ffacc4d718e@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> References: <0ded5ecd-f5f6-4a8e-9d19-f61bf0401022@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <86hcad9ar4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0bb45e96-f9f3-4451-a457-004bb5930c76@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217259979 5728 80.91.229.12 (28 Jul 2008 15:46:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:46:19 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 28 17:47:09 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KNUvw-0004Li-5P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:46:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56515 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNUv2-0006M2-2K for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:45:52 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 60 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.97.120 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1217258559 9215 127.0.0.1 (28 Jul 2008 15:22:39 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.97.120; posting-account=qPxGtQkAAADb6PWdLGiWVucht1ZDR6fn User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160642 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55990 Archived-At: On Jul 28, 4:42 am, Nikolaj Schumacher wrote: > Xah wrote: > > Here're some reason i think emacs should adopt the Alt+=E2=80=B9key=E2= =80=BA or > > Alt-=E2=80=B9key=E2=80=BA notation throughout its documentation. > > This mailing list is not for feature suggestions or bug reports. > > regards, > Nikolaj Schumacher Thank you. I'm aware of it though. Perhaps we can blame Ted, he started to correct me or point out about my use of the notation of =E2=80=9CAlt+=E2=80=B9key=E2=80=BA=E2=80=9D. To wit, he said: =C2=AB Please note that Alt is not the preferred prefix name for Emacs purposes. It's Meta, abbreviated M (e.g. M-x), for two reasons: 1) ... 2) ... =C2=BB Note his use of the word =E2=80=9Cpreferred=E2=80=9D, and he gave reasons. = I don't agree that it is not preferred, and i don't agree about the reasons he gave. So, I replied with my justfication. Lenart and Florian replied to discuss further, and i did too. I clarified and extended some points about the issue today, please see: =E2=80=9CEmacs's M-=E2=80=B9key=E2=80=BA Notation vs Alt+=E2=80=B9key=E2=80= =BA Notation=E2=80=9D http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization_meta_key.html The essay's sub headings pretty much summarize it: =E2=80=A2 Universally understood =E2=80=A2 Notation Same as Key Label =E2=80=A2 Meta is Alt in practice =E2=80=A2 Keyboards don't have Meta key today =E2=80=A2 Misc By the way, it's a classic netiquette that chiding for off topicality is in general not a good thing. Namely, if this channel is not for feature suggestion, nor is it for telling others it is not. Because, that usually leads to more argument. Btw, the netquette is in one of the RFC. I have written a lot about netiquette actually, please have a look here http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/troll.html Comment and feedback welcome. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84