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From: Xah Lee <xah@xahlee.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode?
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:22:39 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <927b0c4a-3de2-4be5-b86a-7ffacc4d718e@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.15488.1217245359.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

On Jul 28, 4:42 am, Nikolaj Schumacher <n_schumac...@web.de> wrote:
> Xah<xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Here're some reason i think emacs should adopt the Alt+‹key› or
> > Alt-‹key› notation throughout its documentation.
>
> This mailing list is not for feature suggestions or bug reports.
>
> regards,
> Nikolaj Schumacher

Thank you. I'm aware of it though.

Perhaps we can blame Ted, he started to correct me or point out about
my use of the notation of “Alt+‹key›”.

To wit, he said:
«
Please note that Alt is not the preferred prefix name for Emacs
purposes.  It's Meta, abbreviated M (e.g. M-x), for two reasons:
1) ...
2) ...
»

Note his use of the word “preferred”, and he gave reasons.  I don't
agree that it is not preferred, and i don't agree about the reasons he
gave.  So, I replied with my justfication. Lenart and Florian replied
to discuss further, and i did too.

I clarified and extended some points about the issue today, please
see:

“Emacs's M-‹key› Notation vs Alt+‹key› Notation”
 http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization_meta_key.html

The essay's sub headings pretty much summarize it:
• Universally understood
• Notation Same as Key Label
• Meta is Alt in practice
• Keyboards don't have Meta key today
• Misc

By the way, it's a classic netiquette that chiding for off topicality
is in general not a good thing. Namely, if this channel is not for
feature suggestion, nor is it for telling others it is not. Because,
that usually leads to more argument. Btw, the netquette is in one of
the RFC.

I have written a lot about netiquette actually, please have a look
here
http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/troll.html
Comment and feedback welcome.

  Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-28 15:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-24 17:36 What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? formido
2008-07-25  3:02 ` formido
2008-07-25 14:55 ` Xah
2008-07-25 16:41   ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-25 21:55     ` Xah
2008-07-26  0:05       ` Florian Beck
2008-07-26  2:04         ` Xah
2008-07-26  0:33       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]       ` <mailman.15432.1217032437.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-26  1:41         ` Xah
2008-07-28 11:42       ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-07-28 11:58         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-07-28 13:39       ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-28 15:02         ` Xah Lee
2008-07-28 16:34           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]           ` <mailman.15504.1217262880.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-28 17:42             ` Xah Lee
2008-07-28 22:44               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-28 19:57           ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-28 20:28             ` Xah Lee
2008-07-28 21:31               ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-28 22:09                 ` Xah Lee
2008-07-29 14:33                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-29 23:20                     ` Xah
     [not found]       ` <mailman.15488.1217245359.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-28 15:22         ` Xah Lee [this message]
2008-07-28 22:14           ` Nikolaj Schumacher
     [not found]           ` <mailman.15520.1217283300.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-28 22:54             ` Xah Lee
2008-07-29  3:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]               ` <mailman.15531.1217302334.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-29  7:25                 ` Xah
2008-07-29  7:46                   ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.15537.1217317612.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-29  8:41                     ` Xah
2008-07-29 12:56                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-29 13:34                       ` William Case
2008-07-29  9:39                     ` Phil Carmody
2008-07-29 12:55                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-29 18:19                     ` Colin S. Miller
2008-07-30 12:29                       ` David Hansen
2008-07-30 13:34                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-29 19:33                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-29 22:25                   ` Andreas Eder
2008-07-29 23:35                     ` Xah
2008-07-30  8:47                       ` Andreas Eder
2008-07-30  9:49                         ` Xah
2008-07-30 17:58                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.15606.1217440713.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-30 18:17                             ` David Kastrup
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.15565.1217360044.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-29 19:45                     ` Joost Diepenmaat
2008-07-29 21:16                     ` Xah
2008-07-30  3:34                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.15577.1217388899.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-30  3:55                         ` Xah
2008-07-30 18:06                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.15607.1217441187.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-30 18:37                             ` Xah
2008-08-23 21:22                     ` David Combs
2008-08-23 21:41                     ` Barry Margolin
2008-08-24  0:15                       ` origin of the Meta key Xah
2008-08-24  3:38                         ` Barry Margolin
2008-08-26 12:19                           ` Allan Gottlieb
2008-07-29 11:13               ` What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-07-29 11:52               ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]               ` <mailman.15542.1217330058.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-29 12:05                 ` Xah
2008-07-29 21:55                   ` David Kastrup
     [not found]               ` <mailman.15545.1217332445.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-29 12:44                 ` Xah
2008-07-29 15:16                   ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-07-29 18:27                   ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.15550.1217344626.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-29 21:32                     ` Xah
2008-07-29 23:06                       ` Nikolaj Schumacher
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.15574.1217372768.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-29 23:29                         ` Xah
2008-07-31 19:07                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-01  3:34                         ` Xah
2008-08-01  7:18                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.15688.1217575142.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-08-01  8:00                             ` Xah
2008-08-01  8:12                           ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-08-01 15:17                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-06 22:42                           ` Harry Putnam
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.15964.1218062567.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-08-06 23:22                             ` Xah
2008-08-07  6:39                               ` David Kastrup
2008-08-07  8:24                                 ` Xah
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.15564.1217356016.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-29 22:50                     ` Xah
2008-07-30 15:15                       ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.15602.1217430872.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-30 17:32                         ` Xah
2008-07-30 17:45                           ` Joost Kremers
2008-07-30 18:33                             ` Xah
2008-07-30 19:40               ` Bastien
2008-07-30  0:28     ` namekuseijin
2008-07-27  3:05   ` formido
2008-07-27 11:36     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-27 11:56       ` Thierry Volpiatto
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-08-06 23:27 Xah
2008-08-07 14:27 ` Harry Putnam

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