From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: delete-selection-mode Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:15:26 -0700 Message-ID: <916F3B17DD1F444DBB3A24999E60858A@us.oracle.com> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com><201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu><87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org><20100317143519.GB4381@muc.de><22603146-A346-4FC2-8D74-5D6047865C3A@mit.edu> <87r5nf8s7q.fsf@siart.de> <87pr2ygbii.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87tys9180s.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269444911 30824 80.91.229.12 (24 Mar 2010 15:35:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: , "'Miles Bader'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 24 16:35:06 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuSbp-0003Oa-2b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:35:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40271 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NuSbo-0000j9-Er for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:35:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NuSJP-0001wJ-CN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:16:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37695 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NuSJN-0001vL-Eb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuSJI-0002Xa-NA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:16:01 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:16884) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuSJE-0002Wg-Pz; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:15:52 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o2OFFkpm024002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:15:48 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o2OFFjDU023261; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:15:45 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt004.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 112270411269443728; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:15:28 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:15:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: Thread-Index: AcrLYN7f8UW6/JAcSySYg8AiL0aWDQAAuA9A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090208.4BAA2CA2.00C4:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122610 Archived-At: > _All_ types of visible selection should be the same, > including t-m-m (C-SPC + movement) selections, to the > greatest extent possible. > > Having multiple "types" of selection that are > sorta-the-same-but-sorta-different is just going to make > Emacs harder to use for everybody, and harder to learn > for beginners. > > We have multiple "types" of selection now, which behave differently > in regard to DEL. Yes, and that's a defect that Miles (I think - I, at least) would like to get rid of. And certainly not add to. > Is there any empirical sign that this makes Emacs > harder to use -- for anyone? Or harder to learn -- for anyone? Empirical studies that demonstrate that? Dunno. I certainly haven't researched it, myself. Have you? Any empirical indication that it does *not* make life more difficult? Just because people get by with the feature and don't complain doesn't mean that it is a blessing. While waiting for empirical evidence (either way), it makes sense logically, no? More things to deal with, to understand, to figure out, to manipulate. Makes sense that that doesn't make things any easier. - Occam