From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Per_Starb=E4ck?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-j considered harmful (not really) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:36:58 +0100 Message-ID: <912155b0911221236t7cebbb35n4bc10805bb685c1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <912155b0911161437l7d5d5d3h790edff279fdad7a@mail.gmail.com> <7b501d5c0911161451s3e54e48dve127bd144f2affc8@mail.gmail.com> <877htpjwd4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258922238 22159 80.91.229.12 (22 Nov 2009 20:37:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Deniz Dogan To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 22 21:37:12 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NCJBI-00064O-1e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:37:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58813 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCJBH-0006uH-DO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:37:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCJBB-0006re-Ad for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:37:05 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCJB6-0006pJ-Fd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:37:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38154 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCJB6-0006pG-BM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:37:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.220.213]:41857) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NCJB6-0001wO-0m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:37:00 -0500 Original-Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so5662040fxm.8 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:36:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=I1bCig4NlldNehYuyv16xC7zq7kIAEvY799ahMd1S6k=; b=N45ZkZRHkJU11vPcP5KM7Z2kKr75ewIpr426fnx2QmQ+QXhUWGrvOvww4emgUJ0JBL ReJBFog88YXTEJKrpTNfgYeQZ50mh40KjDxVgcAH2Iqs7211FMsdSOGM66AWUwp16vrs HrrOQhHjmhAil1w8t5gPz1DHt2f8fsBODrQAU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=HTHbqyQ90IKif9EMaEf4JKA/7UsqCSl1UH41RODvf9K9SxKdHQtoo8GYa8HZSJf4vT asNkqduGPZMHkwScOg2N3I2ZTvwJ61xGEBPNeasSMIYVoBj86sPRSS5de/paRbgrYTpa JClSrtEtJp5jg5pFPOPmWIECFJaNwOq419yYk= Original-Received: by 10.223.4.214 with SMTP id 22mr597224fas.34.1258922218497; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:36:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <877htpjwd4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9943992203a6a0ed X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117506 Archived-At: 2009/11/17 Juri Linkov : >>> That key should be used in I-search with the same meaning as C-j has >>> now, and should >>> be possible to use instead of C-q C-j to enter a newline in minibuffer >>> input. Maybe >>> could be used for this? > In IM clients, S-RET inserts newline, and RET accepts input. Evidently is used to insert newlines in lots of programs. I've just searched for "shift-return" and "shift-enter" on the web and seen many examples. After reconsidering this I then suggest just that should be usable as an alternative to C-j. * nice for those who are used to that from other programs * easier to remember for most new users * I realize now I would like it personally as well. I used the linefeed key a lot back when I used a vt100, but nowadays I have keyboards without a linefeed key, like most of them are. I could use C-j but I find myself typing RET TAB far more often. I think it would be easier to learn to linefeed-deprived fingers to sneak in a shift with the RET. * Since isn't always available it should probably not be used for some new command anyway, so this is as good a use of it as there is.