From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <90accfe9-0e65-4230-93a7-9b07422bd382@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <87ljxoffs6.fsf@atthis.clsnet.nl> <2868c8db-ff02-4d67-9e80-4cf323086ca3@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com> <3bd3a963-a71c-4754-94e9-3a93cdc0cdf7@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222188043 3058 80.91.229.12 (23 Sep 2008 16:40:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:40:43 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 23 18:41:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KiAxI-0007rZ-87 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:41:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35666 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KiAwG-0007xS-BU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:40:36 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 81 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.185.159 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1222187261 17437 127.0.0.1 (23 Sep 2008 16:27:41 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.185.159; posting-account=qPxGtQkAAADb6PWdLGiWVucht1ZDR6fn User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:162621 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:57963 Archived-At: On Sep 23, 8:47 am, "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" wrote: > Xah Lee wrote: > > On Sep 22, 7:50 am, "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" > >> This is what Alex has written there: > > >> RepeatedStrainInjury =E2=80=93 saw a doctor, started physiotherapy o= n > >> 2002-02-05. I bought a Kinesis keyboard. I used little programs that > >> forced me to take a lot of breaks. It didn=E2=80=99t help. > > >> Note that the Kinesis keyboard and the other things did not help (or > >> perhaps was not enough) for Alex! He continues > > >> I stopped therapy > >> 2002-10-21 and decided to work less, get up more often, started > >> practicing Aikido, and no longer work in long shifts. That helped. > > >> More psyical exercise, less sitting computer work -- that was what Ale= x > >> believed helped. > > >> And that is what I think is the right way to avoid problems. > > > of course, the best way to stop Repeated Strain Injury is to stop or > > lessen the activity that caused it. This applies to typing, tennis > > elbow, guitar fingers, piano wrist, for examples. > > Xah, aren't you totally missing the main point? I think the main point > is doing more physical activities. Don't think i'm missing the point. Alex's =E2=80=9Csolution=E2=80=9D to his= RSI problem, in his very brief description of 2 paragraphs, in whole: =C2=ABRepeatedStrainInjury =E2=80=93 saw a doctor, started physiotherapy on 2002-02-05. I bought a Kinesis keyboard. I used little programs that forced me to take a lot of breaks. It didn=E2=80=99t help. I stopped therapy 2002-10-21 and decided to work less, get up more often, started practicing Aikido, and no longer work in long shifts. That helped.=C2=BB and you summarized: And that is what I think is the right way to avoid problems. So, if we have to choose one single element between: (1) get away from computer keyboard more. (2) do general exercise. It is (1) that is essential to his =E2=80=9Csolution=E2=80=9D. What we are doing now is about analysis and reasoning. In the discussion between us in this subthread, at first i picked out part of his solution about using the Kinesis keyboard. You corrected me by saying that it's more about his second paragraph. I agree. Then i elaborated about getting away from keyboard, and you said =E2=80=9Caren't y= ou totally missing the main point? I think the main point is doing more physical activities.=E2=80=9D. Which, isn't a correct analysis as explained above. > There is actually nothing that says that only stopping the activity > itself helps. So, for someone with RSI symptom, we can suppose 2 solution: (1) Stop or lessen the amount of time spent on typing. (2) Do some amout of typing, but when not typing, do more general exercise such as akido. Which one is actually more likely to help? And if we are forced to choose one, it is undeniable that (1) is the answer. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84