From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jari.aalto@poboxes.com (Jari Aalto+mail.linux) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion: Mapping of M-g should be goto-line Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:25:24 +0200 Organization: Private Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <8yhp3yh7.fsf@blue.sea.net> References: <861xnhfee8.fsf@avet.kvota.net> <86brmldvbd.fsf@avet.kvota.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1080219600 9804 80.91.224.253 (25 Mar 2004 13:00:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , Lucas , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 25 13:59:54 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B6USg-0007i4-00 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:59:54 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B6USg-0003rR-00 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:59:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6U8u-0007VH-2C for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:39:28 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B6U7u-0007UZ-2I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:38:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B6U7N-0007Mt-JQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:38:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [193.229.0.48] (helo=fep21-app.kolumbus.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6Tim-0004Vk-AN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:12:28 -0500 Original-Received: from poboxes.com ([81.197.3.110]) by fep21-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20040325121222.QXGB19565.fep21-app.kolumbus.fi@poboxes.com>; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:12:22 +0200 Original-To: Danilo Segan In-Reply-To: <86brmldvbd.fsf@avet.kvota.net> (Danilo Segan's message of "Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:23:34 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (windows-nt) (i386-msvc-nt5.0.2195) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:20893 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:20893 * Thu 2004-03-25 Danilo Segan gmx.net> mail.default.spool | That's only a reason to educate them better, ... That is not the correct way. I believe that if there is functionality that is not appropriate for the 99 % of the users, it should be changed - not matter what other "education" might then be. But you missed the point. Emacs is a companion. It should be a good one. Right now M-g is not a good companion. It could be much better with goto-line. | I suggest you try "emacsclient -n +5 path/to/file" | ... With all this, I rarely if ever need to use M-x goto-line. For you maybe. I believe the more user friendly Emacs is, the better people get a hand on it. Why do you think there is vi(1) people that never touched emacs? Or Windows users that use programmer's file editor instead of Emacs? Little things can make a difference sometimes. M-g could play a tiny part towards it. | For "average joe", we want to make them learn the better way. Sure, they can add line to .emacs to map goto-line. Everybody can. Millions of users can. But that's unproductive and unnecessary. Jari -- http://tiny-tools.sourceforge.net/ Swatch @time http://www.mir.com.my/iTime/itime.htm http://www.ryanthiessen.com/swatch/resources.htm Use Licenses! http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6225 Which Licence? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4825 OSI Licences http://www.opensource.org/licenses/