From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hikaru Ichijyo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: launch a program in an arbitrary frame Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:28:48 -0500 Organization: UN Spacy Message-ID: <8xx615hdozz.fsf@village.keycorner.org> References: <8xxwpxyducd.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxr3o5ea34.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxmvyte6ei.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxa8utdsof.fsf@village.keycorner.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1437262219 10437 80.91.229.3 (18 Jul 2015 23:30:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 23:30:19 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 19 01:30:19 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGbYf-0000lm-H3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 01:30:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50087 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGbYe-0004vf-So for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:30:16 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news.astraweb.com!border5.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:OA1h14re3epIuyS0PPcdJHXqGaw= Original-Lines: 35 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85229271.news.astraweb.com Original-X-Trace: DXC=J`lfBFj]\9O; VG43<:Wm\C]QOX]J^06@\k1@miXkheEkhKJ=H7fHKEgI?MB7Ce?EnIe_N0YFEi5[?NgB Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:213538 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:105824 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > FWIW, I used Emacs heavily back then, on Unix workstations, Lisp > machines, and terminals (UNIX, VAX/VMS). I never found it to be > a memory hog or sluggish or bloated. Clearly, Emacs was smaller > back then too, but I've never noticed it being particularly slow. Remember, there was a time it was considered impressive to PC users to have memory measured in megabytes...any number of megabytes. Even one megabyte could be seen as a lot. 80's workstations would have several meg...but is that really a lot if you're going to run a serious Emacs session with lots of buffers? Keep in mind, the whole point of Emacs is to keep it running and accumulate as much of what you work with on disk as possible, in memory. That concept was a little ahead of its time, or at least, ahead of the hardware that was running it. Since it sounds like you were on UNIX machines that early, you may also remember that when X came around, some people considered that a luxury, since that took a lot of system memory too, even on machines that had a framebuffer and were made for it. A lot of people just prefered to do without it. Not only was Emacs considered a hog by some people at that time, but later in the early 90's, some people even felt that way about the then-new bash shell. After all, it took about a meg of memory. On some of the early machines, that was a pretty big chunk of all the memory you had, just for a shell. Even Chet Ramey was a bit embarrassed about it, though I doubt anyone really cares about how much memory we use per invocation of bash now. -- He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. --Thomas Paine