From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What's an even easier explanation how to setup gnus ... Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:38:20 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: <8jfvtmdqrn.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> References: <5i61va9u7p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87wqmzjvly.fsf@gmail.com> <985927b0-0d56-47f7-bfdb-ae1b1670d4b0@googlegroups.com> <23b442cf-1a6d-4a58-8966-a880be2ddf10@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1378212681 9056 80.91.229.3 (3 Sep 2013 12:51:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 12:51:21 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 03 14:51:24 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VGq4p-0003hE-KI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:51:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45640 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGq4p-0003JL-AU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:51:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56702) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGpyw-0003Xj-1i for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:45:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGpyo-0001jP-Ns for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:45:17 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:49992) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGpyo-0001jL-H1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:45:10 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VGpyi-000805-6Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:45:04 +0200 Original-Received: from g224135091.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.224.135.91]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:45:04 +0200 Original-Received: from rileyrg by g224135091.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:45:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: g224135091.adsl.alicedsl.de Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:U+bmkpjBBFSaM4wFt2KFnAMCb8Y= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93216 Archived-At: Rustom Mody writes: > On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 8:14:47 AM UTC+5:30, W. Greenhouse wrote: >> But modern GUIs do require study and experience to develop facility with >> them. They just don't come with documentation, meaning that the study >> is by rote only. > > Dunno what rote means then... > Millions of kids today are buying phones -- thier firsts -- which are > full-featured (ie Turing-complete) computers and using them without anything > remotely like a manual. > > When I started teaching programming in the late-80s we used turbo-C and PC-scheme. > The manuals were outstanding. And nobody dreamed of being able to use such stuff without non-trivial amount of study. > > The situation is reversed today -- the modern kid expects everything to run > without study. This need not be a good thing -- the 'intuitive' interface may > in fact be the stupid interface; does not change the fact that its the universal > expectation. > And for a good reason. The majority of people want to *use* SW not learn how it works or figure out its internals. Of course most of us here are emacs users so we're not normal - but I'm always a little surprised when a dinosaur then thinks everyone should be that way as if its somehow "better" - its not. Most people *use* the SW to be productive in something else. -- Sent using Emacs/Gnus from home ...